Where the Carcass is, there will the Eagles Be Gathered"

 

Have you read and pondered?
“wheresoever the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together.” © rory moore 2024

"wheresoever the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together."

Having read many times the mysterious words of Jesus and trying to make sense of them with various scenarios, I admitted not being sure even when some "interpretations" seemed plausible. 

The "pre-trib" rapure had appeal and there we would go, flying up like eagles while tribulation took place below..

Thanks to God, I will show you exactly who and what this is and how the Scofield-LaHaye-Missler-Left Behind  crowd had it wrong.

Jesus was speaking to His disciples about the end time events after they asked about "when shall these be?" in regard to the destruction and desolation of Jerusalem. He replied:

Mark 13:14  “But when you shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet,  standing where it ought not be” (let him that reads understand), “then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains.

And to to be clear, here is the prophecy Jesus referred to in Daniel 9:26-27

 "after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself;
and the people of the prince who shall come
shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

And the end thereof shall be with a flood, and until the end of the war  *desolations are determined.

*“desolation(s)”:  to be desolated, be deflowered, be deserted, be appalled, be stunned,

appalling, causing horror, horror-causer, ruined)

Daniel 9:27 Is the verse mis-understood and wrongly used by the pre-trib people: 

Then he  <Messiah the Prince>

shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;

But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

When Messiah came, there was a confirmed Covenant along with the promise and prophecy’s)  with the Jews/Israel for 7 years.

When Messiah was "cut off" (killed),  the sacrifice of himself, ended the efficacy of the Jews sacrifices and offerings in the temple sanctuary in the city of Jerusalem. Because by one offering (Christ's blood and body) he forever sanctified those that believed.

-Then followed the NEW "covenant" which was confirmed in Acts 2 as Jesus poured out the Holy Spirit upon His disciples.

The renowned 70th week:
With this view we see and  consider His 3.5 year ministry, death on the cross, and the 3.5 years after His resurrection through Acts 9 where "many" were saved.

"And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate"
Even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate."

The “consummation” was the end of Israel as the kingdom-nation of God, the Old Testament contract, and the prophecy's to Israel as a Covenant people, i.e. collectively known as the Jews and Israel. 

How was Israel "consumed"?

The nation, city, and temple were made “desolate”, laid waste, ruined, became a horror, in a stunning flood of Roman destruction under the authority of Prince Titus.

“on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate” amazingly, - the Roman army standard was a brass eagle, wings outspread. -The eagle was mentioned in Moses' Law as an unclean bird, Lev. 11:13 and God labeled the eagle in the scripture, as an abomination. With the power and authority of the Roman  “eagle” came, Prince Titus and destroyed the sanctuary and the city of Jerusalem in 70AD.   Now look at what Jesus said as it all comes to Light! Mt. 24:28 For wheresoever the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together. The “carcass” was the dead body of Israel where the Roman eagles (the image on their standards) were gathered making Israel desolate.

 

Shall we confirm?  Leviticus 11:13  

BTW, 11 symbolizes  “disorder and judgement” * page 96, Biblical Mathematics, Ed Vallowe 1992
13 symbolizes rebellion and depravity.)

‘And these are they which ye shall hold in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the osprey,

Again amazing thing was prophesied:
Hosea 8:1 “Put the trumpet to your lips!

An eagle is over the house of the Lord because the people have broken my covenant and rebelled against my law.

-and so it was, judgement and wrath fell upon them, 66-70Ad

Now do you see how far from truth is the "antichrist" guy in a building making a treaty with Israel and making himself God, and God turning to Jews after rapturing the church which was both "Jew and non-Jew" for 2,000 years?

See the series here regarding "Broken Paradigm" and the FAKE nation of them that say they are Jews but are not, called Israel.

Luke 14:33 "except you renounce all.."

you cannot be My disciple"..... the Lord will teach his disciples the truth..

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Is Revelation 4:1 The "rapture"?

"Revelation 4:1 is the rapture?"

Many have assumed Revelation 4:1 is the rapture, or at least a figure for the rapture of the church.
We will show from scripture what is true, and give many reasons.

Here is the passage in Revelation 4:

After these things I saw, and behold, a door opened in heaven, and the first voice that I heard, a voice as of a trumpet speaking with me, one saying, Come up hither, and I will show thee the things which must come to pass hereafter.  Straightway I was in the Spirit: and behold, there was a throne set in heaven, and one sitting upon the throne;

1.   Is  “Come up hither”  the same as “caught up” as in 1st Thessalonians 4:17?
(17  then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds

   Here are the two words from the Greek:
 “caught up”  is “harpazo” Def. to seize, carry off by force, claim for one's self eagerly, to snatch out or away  Strongs #726
 “come up” is “anabaino” Definition: ascend , to go up , to rise, mount, be borne up, spring up. #305

The “catching away” is the church remnant being caught up in the twinkling of an eye.
The “come up” hither” is an ascension going up, like smoke.
It may not fit the definition of the “rapture”.

2.    After John went up,  he saw elders, but does it say he saw the churches that he just
  was given a message for in chapter 3 right before going up?

Rev. 3:21   He that overcomes, I will give to him to sit down with me in my throne, as I also overcame, and sat down with my Father in his throne.
22   He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

Next, immediately after being told to write what the Spirit said to the churches, he hears a voice.
3.   Was it a "voice" he heard or a trump that is written that precedes the rapture?

Notice this and ask yourself,  is the "FIRST" voice the "last trump" ???
 Rev. 4: 2" and the first voice that I heard, a voice as of a trumpet"

1Cor 15:52  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:
                 for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised
                 incorruptible, and we shall be changed

John does not say the voice speaking "come up hither" is the archangel.
He said   the "first" voice is "as" a trump, but is not identified as "the last trump AND a voice of the archangel, as it says regarding the real rapture in 1Thess. 4:16:

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, AND with the voice of the archangel

4.  Is "Come up hither”  mis-identified a "rapture?

    In the Greek, "come up" is "anabaino", and the rapture is "harpazo".      

     Here  is “anabaino”: (www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/kjv/anabaino.html)
     Definition:  to ascend, to go up, to rise, mount, be borne up, spring up.

5. “anabaino” is never used where there is a “harpazo”.

 Acts  10:9  On the morrow, as they went on their journey , and drew nigh unto the city,
                   Peter went up upon the housetop to pray (anabaino)
Galatians 2: 1 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas,
                   2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach
                       (both are “anabaino” ).
  John went up (anabaino)  in the Spirit, but was not raised (harpazo)  up along with the last trump/ the dead raised first/ the clouds, or the numerous signs that accompany the rapture. 

 6.   The Signs.

        Compare “come up hither” with the real "rapture" and the signs that go with the rapture:

    
        In 1Thessalonians 4: 16
          For  the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, AND with
          the voice of the archangel, AND with the trump of God:

 AND
    the dead in Christ shall rise first;
       (17 then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up (harpazo)
          in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

7. The English expressions:
    The confusion is introduced by the translators when they translate two different words into similar
     English expressions.
     Our example here of “caught up”, which in the “rapture” verse in 1Thessalonian 4 is “harpazo”,
     is accompanied by many signs.  Harpazo is a sudden seizure, a forceful action. 

  The "pre-trib" folks who want to make "come up hither" into the rapture, but Anabaino is more leisurely like smoke going up, climbing a mountain, arising, or ascending..
   The actions are very different.
8.  Questions:

     In Revelation 4:1, where does the Lord descend?
     Where is the voice of the archangel AND the trump of God?
     Where are the dead that “rise FIRST”?
     Where is the SHOUT?
     Where is “the cloud of witnesses”?
Without any other “rapture” signs that all of the other “rapture” verses mention, any attempt to turn 4:1 into a pre-trib rapture is blatant “twisting”, that is, the “wrestling”  of another meaning into the passage.

9.    At the “rapture” ,  what happens to the physical body?
     In Revelation 4:2 Straightway I was in the Spirit.
     The resurrection is not spoken of until Revelation 20:4, in the first resurrection…”

     Compare with 1Corinthians 15:
51   Behold, I tell you a mystery: We all shall not sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52   in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
       and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

There is no mention of a resurrection or a “changed” body in Rev. 4:1-2.

10.  Now compare the same word used in the “rapture” texts
       with the same word used in Revelation 4 as “come up hither”. 

Harpazo: (to seize, carry off by force to seize on, claim for one's self eagerly to snatch out or away)
Acts 8:39   And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip;
                  and the eunuch saw him no more, for he went on his way rejoicing.
 2nd Corinthians 12:2  I know a man in Christ, fourteen years ago (whether in the body,
                                   I know not; or whether out of the body, I know not; God knoweth),
                                   such a one caught up even to the third heaven.
 2 Cor 12:4      how that he was caught up into Paradise, and heard unspeakable words...
 1Thes 4:17      then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them
                        be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:...
 Revelation 12:5  And she was delivered of a son, a man child, who is to rule all the nations
                          with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and unto his throne.

Anabaino:  (ascend to go up , to rise, mount, be borne up, spring up)

Mat. 14:23    After He had sent the crowds away, He went up on the mountain by Himself to pray
Mat. 20: 17  As Jesus was about to go up to Jerusalem, He took the twelve disciples aside by
                    themselves, and on the way He said to them,
             18 "Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem
John 1: 51    And He said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, you will see the heavens opened and
                    the angels of  God ascending and descending on the Son of Man."
John 6: 62   "What then if you see the Son of Man ascending to where He was before ?

Rom 10:6    But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows :
                   "DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, 'WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN ?'

Eph. 3: 8       Therefore it says, "WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH,
                       HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN."
            9   (Now this expression, "He ascended," what does it mean except that
                 He also had descended  into the lower parts of the earth ?
          10   He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens,
                 so that He might fill all ...)
Rev 4:1 …and the first voice which I had heard, like the sound of a trumpet speaking with me said,
                         "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place …"

11.  And here, incredibly,  “anabaino” and “harpazo” are used --->  in the same verse! <---

Acts 8: 39 39 When they came up out of the water,  (ANABAINO) 
                      the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away (HARPAZO)
                      and the eunuch no longer saw him, but went on his way rejoicing.
Do you still want to say John was “raptured” in Revelation 4:1?
 –Clearly, “anabaino” is NEVER used as a “rapture” verb anywhere in scripture..