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Saturday, October 15, 2011

Brother Prophet, Speak by the Holy Spirit or Shut up.

Prophets and Watchmen
Ephesians 4:11  And he gave some to be apostles; and some prophets

First, let us state there is no scripture giving pastors sole authority over a group of God's people.
Am I against pastors then? -NO! I love real pastors but today most only function as hirelings.

 We are missing ministries in the church.
Only once in the New Testament is the word "pastor" used (Eph. 4:11), yet pastors dominate evangelical Christianity. Prophets are mentioned in 45 NT verses yet are practicaly non-existent except for a few that prophesy for pay in the church world, and a plethora of prophet-watchmen" on the internet.

Many prophets are paid to speak to churches and most always prophecy prosperity, larger ministries, and a bigger name. We heard plenty of these types and they were welcome guest speakers in our assembly on a regular basis and usually were paid very generously.

Now consider the role of the prophet, of which God said He placed in the church also.  The real ones do not seek the limelight but will speak when the Lord puts His Word in them.  They are more loners and isolated as they are called to be somewhat remote as he does not have the warm and chummy personality of the pastor.  (people tend to be drawn to pastors and intimidated by prophets).

The prophet will "see" things others don't. For that he may be mocked, scorned, and rejected,  he is by nature a watchman.


Caution!:  It often falls on the prophet to bring correction to pastors, ministers, and God's people.

Why do we caution? Because the wannabe correctors' of others better be fully ordained by and sent from God to do so, and not in the will of self.
When you do so, it better be with the utmost humility, meekness, and love
-And without any anger, revenge, malice, or assertive flesh-driven angst.

Your spirit must be clean and before you go checking the mote in another's eye, the beam must be out of yours.

2Timothy 2:25  in meekness correcting them that oppose themselves;
                            if peradventure God may give them repentance unto the knowledge of the truth,
 Titus 3:2 to speak evil of no man, not to be contentious, to be gentle, showing all meekness
                toward all men.
Gal. 6:1 Brethren, even if a man be overtaken in any trespass, ye who are spiritual,
                restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; looking to thyself,
lest thou also be tempted

Those verses should close the mouth of a lot of critical, angry watchmen.  But if God sends us, we need to go.

I have been sent a few times in this manner and in each case, I did not want to go to the person with God's corrective Word. The Lord spoke to me in one instance that if I did not that He (God), would put their punishment on me also. 

Another time I was sent to a local pastor. Again, in no way did I want to share with him what the Lord had given me as I knew he would not receive it. I counseled with other elders who agreed I needed to go.
Of course it turned out exactly as I foresaw and I was rejected and labeled a "false prophet" by him.

But on the way home the Lord spoke to me and said "I cannot send judgement before I send them a prophet first".

A man may prophesy according to the measure of the gift in him. And he will do well to grow in his gifting. A young prophet may be sitting on a church pew and get a dream or two, or a revelation from the Lord, but he has a long ways to go. The Lord will season him thru suffering, and mature him through many fiery trials...
A new testament prophet may "prophecy in part"..
The "part" is part the spirit of the man and part the spirit of God. In other words, he can get his prophecy right but get some of his own knowledge mixed in.. That is why you see a lot of prophets prophesying by the news..

Very few understand what it is to be a prophet, and the false ones have muddied the waters. Very few have walked in a prophets shoes... Many of them just get conformed to a role in a church by a church system that has been so leavened that they are un-recognizable.

The prophet is drawn to, of all things, PROPHECY, and loves the Book of Revelation, Daniel, and the other prophets. He will get revelation from the Lord and it will usually upset the comfortable traditions and status quo of "church".  He makes pastors uncomfortable because he strains at their leash.

When he walks in the Spirit, he is passionate for God's Word and calling people to seek the Lord.
He will be perceived as harsh, moody, difficult, and unsociable,which is often true because he just does not conform to the church "system" unless he gives himself over to gain and pleasing people.

He is also called to be a minister and servant to the body of Christ, not a glorified idol of spiritual mysteries that prostitutes his gift for the reward of a Name or filthy lucre.

In this respect, he ought to be able to minister and pray for people, often "hearing" the Holy Spirit direct him and revealing to him the afflictions and infirmities of the people he ministers to.

Prophets are more likely to be discerned first by Spiritual people, other prophets, and later acknowledged by others. John 4:19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet...

***any prophetic man or woman worth their salt can tell you about their battles with the spirit of jezebel.***, -a spirit which absolutely hates and despises the prophets among us.

       He can be carnal and he hates his own failures.
       He is zealous for people to repent and be holy.
       He seeks spiritual things from above, visions, and dreams.
       He is very sensitive and perceptive of spiritual atmosheres.
       He will shout the truth from the rooftop then hide.
       He is excited by revelation from scripture.
       He may miss a prophecy and it fail when flesh or emotions get in the way.

       His prophecies are disdained.
       He is rejected but he loves people..
       He is known for his personal flaws and weaknesses.
       He makes people uncomfortable when he speaks about God.

      He is against the establishment order of man-made ministry,
       a contrarian who is stifled by ritual and routine.
       He has a fiery heart and speaks fiery words. Sometimes to his regret.
       He talks to many about God.
       He carries the Word and truth, but is scorned as a lone ranger Christian.
       He is modest and not flashy.

       He is not comfortable taking money from people for ministry.
       He is called to suffer affliction.
       He is without honor in his own house and country.
       He is called to suffer. Take, brethren, .. an example of suffering and of patience
            the prophets who spake in the name of the Lord
. -james 5:10

       He dies when he is conformed to another man's ministry and loses his own Spiritual identity.
       He is better for staying home and hearing from God than hearing a 3-point Bible College sermon.
       He knows he is "different", but does not know why.

       He rejoices when demons are cast out and people healed.
       He positively grieves for what promotes itself as Christian.
       He does not follow the mainstream crowd.
       He hears from God and it is usually different from what is commonly taught.

      He thinks something is wrong with himself when the reality is it is the church that has apostasized
         and it is his calling to examine themselves in the light of Scripture.

For this he is marginalized, tolerated (as long as he financially participates), and very seldom recognized in the assembly as a gift of ministry from the Lord.

The missing minister of  the prophet in the local church is tragic.
He has been homogenized into the mainstream milk that calls itself Christian. Typically he sits in a pew or is molded into the job of a pastor, but inside there is a burning fire that wants to speak for the Lord.
       He is not seeker sensitive in the stagnant water of the typical church service.
       When mature,  he rejects being hired for money, reputation, or popularity.
       He is non self-glorying, non self- promoting.
       Forget the "Prophet Appreciation Month"  -he does not want it.

 If you have been around church very long, you have met prophets, pastors, teachers, and perhaps an apostle.
Most of them became nameless, faceless followers conformed to the image of their fellowship.

But God has them, oh yes, and the ones who come out from among them and follow the Lord "outside the camp" of modern Christianity will be as candles in the night

Next post: Watchmen Warning!  -how "knowledge pollutes the gift.


  1. What encouraging words, not for building one up in pride, but for reinforcing in your readers the path of humility! As it is written: "Pride goes before a downfall," but "Humility goes before honor and riches and life" - not the honor, riches, and life that can be seen, but these which Christ possessed, which the world cannot receive nor see with fleshly eyes - may all of us readers reject these which can be seen, and be as content as Christ was with what cannot be seen, except with His spiritual eyes. Waiting patiently for the next post.

  2. Great post on the prophet. You speak in the male pronoun. Do you believe women can have this gift of prophecy?

  3. The problem that I see is that when the Lord sends a man or woman of God to speak forth what they have been shown. They are called names and almost always because they did not speak swelling words are therefore mocked and shunned!They do not care what man or woman thinks accept what the Lord reveals and shows them.

  4. typo-correction: I also believe the man or woman of God is drawn to ALL of Gods word, for they do not pick and choose but devour all of Gods word:)

  5. Odeliasimone:
    yes, a woman may prophesy, be a prophetess, and may the Lord raise them up and out from under the religious bondage and tradition found in most churches

  6. and Magnolia,
    you are correct. Prophets must suffer rejection and refusal, it goes with the job description.
    It is not a glorified office in the church where people pay for his or her words.
    Anyone speaking truth into the modern church will usually upset the pastor.

  7. How true and those filled with the Holy Fire and Zeal of the Lord already expect to be rejected, it is an intimate walk with God, which opposes the apostate. Anyone can quote scripture all the day long, however that does not make them a True Spirit filled man or woman of God. You and I have bother experienced that, Loyalty to God is truly opposition with those that only want itching ears and whom reject the Real truth of Gods holy word. thank you for responding.

  8. Only a prophet of the Lord could have written this message because only a prophet knows what prophets go through.

  9. It amazes me how many claim prophetic gifts, yet even if they have the gift only speak words of comfort and of health and prosperity. And then there are those who 'prophelies' any old nonsense and the previous two is what I feel makes many Pastor's leery of the Prophet. When a genuine one comes along they are like "yeah right". Also Prophets tend to make them uncomfortable because they speak with authority and without fear or favor. A prophet will rebuke his best friend and that is why not too many prophets have friends. But one of the the things that bothers me the most is those who claim to be prophets and operate in the gift and office, will NOT speak of end times prophecy they will not prepare the Church or the unbelievers for what is coming. And believe it or not some "prophets" teach false doctrine in the form of the pre trib rapture hoax. It doesn't have one scripture to support it but that doesn't bother them. The Church needs to know she will indeed go through the Tribulation the name for this time period says it all, you cannot persecute non believers or those who currently believe a false method of so called salvation or follow a false religion a philosophy. Some watchman needs to stand and take courage with all that is in him to confront false doctrine head on and preach it like the Bible says it. The Bible clearly says we will be raptured following the Tribulation of those days and that the Church must be prepared to take the gospel into all the world during the great tribulation (that's what we will be here for).

  10. Joe, those are great comments, thank you, and they are true. I agree 100%.

  11. What do you do with Luke 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest.....and so that day come upon you unawares. Vs 36 Watch
    ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to
    stand before the son of man. Do you mean to correct the KJV?

  12. @Tim. re; "worthy to escape" is not a pre-trib rapture. "escape" there means: G1628
    ἐκφεύγω ekpheugō ==> to flee out: - escape, flee.
    This is exactly what the disciples did in Acts 8 and what Jesus said also "pray that your ==> flight <== not not be in winter...."
    -The KJV is a good translation, but it is not perfect. It is good to use a lexicon, concordance, or E-Sword to study further.
    The word "rapture" is not KJV either by the way.