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Wednesday, February 12, 2014

Nephilum, Giants, Fallen Angels, and Truth (updated, revised)


revised and updated version
this is an abbreviated version for a forth-coming book with even more proofs and why
"we simply cannot make scripture say what it does not say"









Genesis 6,
1   And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the ground,  and daughters  were born unto them,
 2  that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair;  and they took them wives of all that they chose.
3   And The LORD said, My spirit shall not strive with man forever, for that he also is flesh:  yet shall his days be a hundred and twenty years.
4 The *Nephilim were in the earth in those days,  and also after that, when the sons of God came unto the daughters of men,  and they bare children to them: the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.
          (*  H5307; properly, a feller,  a bully or tyrant: - giant.)
5   The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth

Let’s use the sword of the Spirit, and see if we can prove the truth for a commonly accepted doctrine.   This doctrine leads either to or from the path of scripture into regions of thinking that have us chasing pre-Adamic creation, alien invasions, Adam having two wives, and all sorts of fanciful, unprofitable “learning”.

There are two critical points to test:
1. Does scripture say angels married human wives?
2. Does scripture define “sons of God” as angels or men?
The trouble usually  begins with that phrase in Genesis 6:4, “sons of God”.
WHO are those  “sons of God”? Were they angels or were they men?

Let’s test this:

1. Jesus spoke of men who cannot marry in the resurrection: Matthew. 22:
  29)  Jesus said to them, You err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
  30) For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage,  but are as angels in heaven.

-Men who achieve the resurrection do not marry, have sexual union, or make babies, because they “are as angels in heaven”.
- But is it written anywhere that angels in heaven married other angels or humans?
- Are angels ever directly named “sons of God”?

Again,  Jesus spoke of angels and sons of God in Luke 20
   34)  and Jesus said unto them, The sons of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
   35)   but they that are accounted worthy to attain to that world,  and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
   36)   for neither can they die any more: as they are *equal to the angels;
            and are sons of God,  being sons of the resurrection.
*equal to the angels”: G2465 ἰσάγγελος isaggelos “ like an angel, that is, angelic:
- equal unto the angels.”

NOTICE: ==> Jesus said men are sons of God because they were sons of God by the resurrection.
Are *any* angels ever called "sons of God by the resurrection"?

The Old Testament saints who died in faith, are “equal to angels”,  and who are  "not given in marriage”, as “angels in heaven” are likewise not married,  are called  “sons of God” by Jesus, before His resurrection!

Point: In this “sons of God” passage, angels were not included as sons of God by the resurrection even though men are, and men would be as “equal to the angels. (equal means "like" or as)

In Genesis 6:2 after men multiplied, it says: that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose.
But no angels are ever spoken of as married to human wives.

Read Jesus' words above very carefully.

Sons of God Error correction #2:

In the Hebrew text, “angels”  are not even mentioned specifically until Genesis 16:7
“And the angel of The LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness”

Let’s look at the Hebrew word for “angel”.   It is “malak.
 (def.: messenger, representative, angel,  the theophanic angel)

Let’s look at the Hebrew word for “sons”.   It is  “ben” or “bane”.
(son, grandson,  member of a group  son, male child, grandson ,  children (pl. - male and female)  youth, young men (pl.)young (of animals)  sons (as characterization, i.e. sons of injustice [for un- righteous men]or sons of God [for angels]  people (of a nation) (pl.)  of lifeless things, i.e. sparks, stars, arrows)

Yet Jesus said angels do not marry, which was only stated as the union of man and women.

Could these “sons of God” be angels because “ben” has a minor inclusion “sons of God for angels” in the definition?
4,842 times “ben” was used in the Old Testament, but ZERO times translated as “angels” (ASV) and 0 for 4,906 in the KJV. Without adding “angels” into any text, not one verse expressly, directly, or specifically speaks of “angels” as sons of God, but it does say that of men.
Therefore the Hebrew language testifies against “sons of God” as  angels.

Next we find in Job the phrase “sons of God” used again.

Job 1:6  Now it came to pass on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves
              before the LORD, that Satan also came among them.
      2:1  again it came to pass on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves
              before the Lord, that Satan came also among them to present himself before.
    38:7  when the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
 -Again there is no specific identification that "sons ("ben") of God" were angels (malak).
( “morning stars” can be shown as a metaphor for saints of God and children of Abraham, but we prefer not to insert any metaphor or assumption into the text here.

Now for New Testament "the sons of God" references:

Luke 20:34     Jesus said unto them, The sons of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
Luke 20:36    for neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels;
 and ARE sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

Now that passage could end the debate, but there are more “sons of God” identified explicitly, directly, and are expressly designated:

Galatians 3:26  For ye are all sons of God, through faith, in Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 1:5   having fore-ordained us unto adoption as sons through Jesus Christ...
1Jn 3:2 beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be LIKE him; for we shall see him as he is.

What we see and do not see in the above scriptures:
-Are any angels, fallen or otherwise called “sons of God?" -NO!
-Are men, “they that are accounted worthy”  called “sons of God” -YES!
-Are Old Testament saints who were “they of faith”, and “sons of Abraham”,  also “sons of the resurrection” and “accounted worthy” ? -YES!
Are the same “sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus” called  “sons of God”? -YES!
Did Abraham have faith and look for Jesus? -YES!
Jesus said “Abraham saw my day and rejoiced”. John 8:56

Now we have two witnesses in Jesus Christ and Witness Paul telling us who the “sons of God” really are.

If that were not enough, we see "angels" (aggelos) used 176 times in the New Testament and not one single time are they referred to as "sons" or "sons of God"
("Aggelos", Gr, #32, "angel(s), messenger(s).

Angelic Sons of God Error Corrected, reason number 3:

In scripture, the Word instructs us that a teaching and truth are built “line upon line, line upon line”.
Furthermore, scripture tells us that “in the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established”.
The premise that fallen-angels-sons-of-God, were able to make babies in marriage with human women have the following number of verses to additionally witness that theory:
---0---

That is correct, there are no verses in either the Old or New Testaments pointing to women making babies with fallen angels.  

Only by supposition and assumption (interpolation, i.e. that is making scripture say what it does not say) is the idea believed.
Jesus did not mention any “return of the nephilum” as an end time warning about the “days of Noah”??  -When he gave signs to watch out for, neither Jesus or Paul wrote such nonsense when warning of “the last days” or end times.

The "signs" most warned about?  -"deceivers" "false teachers" "seducing spirits" and "demon doctrines".

There is a place where Jesus said the devil himself could father children.
Jesus told the Jews and pharisees in  John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil,  and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning,  and stands not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.

Did the fallen arch angel Lucifer-devil have sex with the mothers of the pharisees?
Jesus clearly said they were of their father, the devil.
HOW did the devil “father” the pharisees? -did the devil have sexual relations with Israelite women and how could the devil father human children?

Do you think if the devil could have physical sex to impregnate women, make giants and “nephillum”, that he would have stayed pretty busy making as many as possible all through history?

Here is what Jesus said about "good seed" and "tares" who are of bad seed.

Matthew 13:38 and the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one

How did tares become "SONS of the evil one"?
Are we are supposed to accept that a one-night stand back there in Genesis 6 by sexy fallen angels, that for some odd reason never again happened in scripture, nor was spoken of as such, nor warned about, is  somehow fit for Christian doctrinal consumption?

No friends, scripture is not of private interpretation.
It is error to isolate one passage and imply a doctrinal precept built around one verse, with no corroborating scripture testimony.

Sons Of God Error Corrected Reason 4:
God created “seed” and set into motion a law that said seed would reproduce “after like kind”.
An apple seed brings forth an apple tree. A cows “seed” brings forth calves.
Angels cannot reproduce with humans. Angels are called “ministering spirits”, and “a spirit has not flesh and bone” as Jesus said, even though angels have appeared in flesh all through scripture.
Point:  we cannot prove angels have bones, blood, or the capacity for sexual reproduction, any or all of which are needed to affirm the theory of angels marrying human women and making babies who became giants.

Seed reproduces kind, and the only seed a seducing spirit can sow is spiritual seed via words, i.e. “doctrines of demons” which are errors and lies.
That was the method of the devil by which deceived Eve in the garden, a demon doctrine deceived her and it was spiritual words that she believed.  A lie is a spiritual seed.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind, cattle,  and creeping things, and beasts of the earth after their kind: and it was so.
25  And God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind,  and everything that crept upon the ground after its kind: ...

There ZERO scriptures stating that angels (also called spirits) can reproduce flesh.
That which is begotten of the flesh is flesh, that which is of the Spirit is spirit". –John 3:6

WARNINGS:
    1Tim 1:3)     As I exhorted thee to tarry at Ephesus, when I was going into Macedonia,  that thou mightest charge certain men not to teach a different doctrine,
    4)   neither to give heed to fables and endless genealogies,  which minister questionings
-You might think the angels are sons of God marrying human women doctrine was in Paul’s mind when he wrote that passage about “endless genealogies” and “which minister questionings” which is so illustrated by emails and arguments on this subject.
"Fables"  is “muthos”, which is a tale, that is, fiction, (myth).

There are warnings about giving heed to “seducing spirits” and doctrines of demons.
Seducing spirits” are not about sex with human women, it is their “doctrines” that spiritually impregnate the “sons of God”.
And that is why Jesus told them they were of their father the devil.

Today,  myth and fable are mainstream, and sell well.
yes, extra-Biblical books are referenced in scripture itself.  But we are forbidden to establish doctrine apart from scripture, and without additional witness in scripture itself.

There is no scripture witness from scripture of demons making human babies unless you make assumption that scripture says what it does not say.
Let's chain ourselves to what is written and not depart.

Sons Of God Error Corrected Reason 5:
No scriptures in the New Testament, say anything remotely close to fallen angels making babies with humans” error, it is not stated so in Jude nor in 2peter 2.
-Are fallen angels ever called “sons of God” in the New Testament?   NO!
-Does the New Testament even mention angels and sonship?   YES!
- ‎"For unto which of the angels said he at any time,  Thou art my Son,  this day have I begotten thee? -Heb 1:5

Those holding the fallen angels are “sons of God” in Genesis 6 and Job, find themselves directly contradicting God saying to which of his angels at any time did He say “thou art My son”!
Angels are expressly called "spirits".
Heb. 1:13   But of which of the angels hath he said at any time, Sit thou on my right hand,
                    Till I make thine enemies the footstool of thy feet?
          14)    Are they not all ministering spirits.

Can a fallen angel produce human or angelic sperm in order to impregnate a human woman?
Not according to Jesus:
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
"flesh":  The flesh, denotes human nature and the physical substance of human kind.
"spirit": A spirit, i.e. a simple essence, devoid of all or at least all grosser matter,  and possessed of the power of knowing, desiring, deciding, and acting.

A spirit can inhabit a body (as satan entered into Judas), a spirit can appear as a man, but never is a spirit given capability to produce human seed.

The ONLY seed an evil fallen angel can sow is a lie.
Just because angels materialized into human form and ate food does not mean mean they had every human capability including reproduction. 
The scripture does not state the attribute that  angels can  make human “seed”, and cross breed, as seed begets "kind" after its’ own "kind".
Matthew 13:38 and the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdomand the tares are the sons of the evil one”.  That's right, sons of the "evil one" are "tares" because they receive the "seed" of the devil, i.e. lies.

Were "sons of Belial" angels or human?

1 Samuel 2:12  Now the sons of Eli were sons of Belial; they knew not the LORD.
1 Samuel 10:27 But the children of Belial said, How shall this man save us?
Deuteronomy 13:13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods…
Judges 19:22           Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, ..and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.

We ask, if sons of God are fallen angels, and both men and fallen angels are of their father the devil, what made both "kind" sons of the devil? -was it physical procreation or was it spiritual by following a lie and rebellion?

Sons Of God Error Corrected Reason 6:
Warning, fables-fables-fables
Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures Jesus said in the very passage that He spoke concerning angels, men, and sons of God.

 Some folks believe the Book of Enoch is scripture. However if the Book of Enoch is not scripture, it is not to be included as a witness to a doctrine and Jesus did not refer to it or quote from it.
Paul did not quote from it, Jude says " (14)  And to these also Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, Behold, the Lord came with ten thousands of his holy ones.

Did you note that the mention of Enoch’s prophesy is not prefaced “it is written…”?
The prophecy is true because it is given by the Holy Spirit and is written in Jude as a witness, but nowhere do we have confirmation from anyone that “The Book of Enoch” is scripture and it would be witnessed somewhere in scripture if it were.

Quoting a prophesy from Enoch is no different as other words are quoted from many other prophets. The "Book of Enoch" and the writings of Enoch are nowhere validated as scripture, by the scripture.

Others like Enoch also prophesied likewise:
" And there was also a man that prophesied in the name of Jehovah, Uriah " -Jer. 26:20
".. sons of Asaph, ... who prophesied after the order of the king." 1Chron 25:2
"Of  the sons of Jeduthun: Gedaliah, and Zeri, and Jeshaiah, Hashabiah, and Mattithiah, six, under the hands of their father Jeduthun with the harp, who prophesied in giving thanks and praising Jehovah." 1Chron 25:3

So we see that even though others "prophesied" as Enoch did, the "Book of Enoch" is not given as scripture but a prophesy by Enoch is witnessed by scripture...

1.  1Timothy 1:4 neither to give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questionings, rather than a dispensation of God which is in faith; so do I now.
2.   2Timothy 4:4 and will turn away their ears from the truth, and turn aside unto fables.
3.  Titus 1:14 not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men who turn away from the truth.
    (bad fruit turns God's people away from scripture)
4.  2Peter 1:16 For we did not follow *cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord 
Jesus Christ… ( *means to continue in PLAUSIBLE ERROR…)

Once the unvarnished truth is accepted,  the doctrine of hormone-driven sexy angels marrying or sexually molesting women and making babies who become giants is shown to be absurd and ridiculous.
Because doctrine is not to be established by one verse, one context, or assuming scripture means what it does not say. True doctrine is established "line upon line..." with mutually supporting scripture.

I submit to you, the reader, that no scripture states that angels are "sons of God", but scriptures do say that men are called "sons of God'.
I submit that in no other passage of scripture is there reference to, or a declaration of angelic spirits having sexual relations with human women and making babies.
I submit to you that God repeats history and we can demonstrate that in the scripture. But I cannot find any repetition of God repeating the alleged "sons of God-fallen angel" theory of them making babies with humans they married.
I submit that Jesus never said or alluded to that in the season of His return, as in the days of Noah, that there would be "a return of the nephilum".
In closing, here are three scriptures that cannot lie,
but men can be deceived into lying about them
Read them with care and decide for yourself.
...   the nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came unto the daughters of men,
...   neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection
...   For unto which of the angels said he at any time,  Thou art my son ?

*** Further scripture notes on “Sons of God”:

If "sons" of God means or included "angels", then there is not a single evidence of that in these passages which specifically and expressly mention "sons" of God:

Exodus 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son
Deut 32:19          And the Lord saw it, and abhorred them, Because of the provocation of his sons and his daughters
John 1:12     But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God even to them that believe on his name:
1Chron 17:13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him
1 Chron 22:10 He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father
Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
Rev  21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Did OT saints “overcome?
 Did they believe God?
 Did they “see from afar” the promises of God in Christ?
Were they sons of God by the resurrection?

Isaiah 43:6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;
Isaiah 45:11 Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons,  and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.
2Cor. 6:18 And will be a Father to you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, said the Lord Almighty.

Hebrews 11 tells us who the “sons of God by FAITH in Christ Jesus” were:
4 By faith Abel 5 By faith Enoch 7 By faith Noah,8 By faith Abraham
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them and greeted them  from afar
24  By faith Moses... 26  accounting the reproach of Christ greater riches
 13) These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth
Galatians 3:26 For ye are all sons of God, through faith, in Christ Jesus.
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Luke 20:36 for neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels;  and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Not once are angels “sons” in any of those passages..

Genesis 3:15 and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed: he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Should we accept that both the woman and the serpent have "seed", and that the serpent was the devil,
both are prophesied to have "seed", in Hebrew meaning ones posterity.

Since both would have a "posterity", did the devil continue to have human children through sexual reproduction? -or would his children be those that received the same lie, and have the same nature as the serpent?? -just as the pharisees who were called children of the devil.
-The woman's "seed" is recognized as Jesus who would come to bruise the "head" of satan.
Luke 6:35             But love your enemies, and do them good, and lend, never despairing; and your reward shall be great, and you shall be sons of the Most High
..............
NONE of the angels mentioned in scripture such as Michael and Gabriel, are ever specifically called "sons of God", not in any passage anywhere in the entire Bible!!

Can you find non-human "sons of God here?
Deuteronomy 32:19 And THE LORD saw it, … Because of the provocation of his sons and his daughters.
Judges 5:5
And the children of Israel dwelt among the Canaanites, the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites:
( the children of Israel WERE called “sons of God”)
6 and they (the sons of God,-Israel)  took their daughters (of pagan men) to be their wives, (as married to the Israeli sons of God)   and gave their own daughters (the children of Israel)  to their sons  (of men) and served their gods.

Do these include angels as sons of God?
Isaiah 43:6  I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back; bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the end of the earth
2 Corinthians 6:18  And I will be to you a Father, And you shall be to me sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.

Since no angels are ever directly called “sons of God”, and since no scripture witnesses that angels can  or did marry human women and make babies, we categorically reject this teaching and pray the Lord will open the eyes of those who are driven to contend for it.
Why is there no commandment in the word of God for man not to cohabitate with angels?
When God warned against intermarriage with parents and family members in the law, and severely warned of adulterous marriages, and warned against sex with animals, and warned against homosexual sex, and warned about marriage with unbelievers, and warned against unmarried sexual relations, He did not give warning against marriage or sex with fallen angels. There is*nothing* in the New Testament in regard to angels making babies with humans but there is repeated warnings regarding immorality and fornication among humans.


We simply cannot “go beyond that which is written” and try to make the scripture say what it does not say, even if the arguments seem plausible.

Copyright 2014 by Rory Moore