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Tuesday, January 10, 2012

Sons of God, Nephilum, Giants, and Truth

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Genesis 6,
1   And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the ground,
   and daughters  were born unto them,
2   that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair;
they took them wives of all that they chose.
3   And Jehovah said, My spirit shall not strive with man forever, for that he also is flesh:
    yet shall his days be a hundred and twenty years.

4   The *Nephilim were in the earth in those days,
also after that, when the sons of God
    came unto the daughters of men
    and they bare
children to them: the same were the mighty men that were of old,
    the men of renown.
H5307; properly, a feller,  a bully or tyrant: - giant.)
5   And Jehovah saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth

Now let’s use the sword of the Spirit, and see if we can prove down a commonly accepted doctrine.  This doctrine leads balanced people from the path of scripture into regions of thinking that have them chasing pre-Adamic creation, alien invasions, Adam having two wives, and all sorts of fanciful, unprofitable “learning”.

The trouble starts with that phrase in Genesis 6:4, “sons of God”.
WHO are the alleged “sons of God”? Were they angels or were they men?

Let’s test this:
1. We know Jesus said angels cannot marry in Matthew. 22:
 29) but Jesus answered and said unto them,
Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures,
          nor the power of God.

30)     For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage,
         but are as angels in heaven.
-Men who achieve the resurrection do not marry, have sexual union, or make babies,
because they “are as angels in heaven”.  
Angels in heaven do not marry or reported to make babies.
Are angels ever directly named “sons of God”?
Jesus spoke of angels and sons of God in Luke 20
 34) and Jesus said unto them, The sons of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35)   but they that are accounted worthy to attain to that world,
and the resurrection from the dead,
         neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36)  for neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels;
and are sons of God,  being sons of the resurrection.

==> Jesus said men are sons of God because they were sons of God by the resurrection.
Are *any* angels called "sons of God by the resurrection"?

Those Old Testament saints, who died in faith, are equal to angels, and who are "not given in marriage, as theangels in heaven” are likewise not married,  are called  sons of God
 by Jesus, before His resurrection!

Sons of God Error correction #2:

In the Hebrew, “angels”  are not even mentioned specifically until Genesis 16:7
“And the angel of Jehovah found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness”
 Now Let’s look at the Hebrew word for angel”.   It is “malak”. 
(messenger, representative, angel,  the theophanic angel)

Let’s look at the Hebrew word for “sons”.   It is  “ben” or “bane”.
(son, grandson,  member of a group  son, male child
grandson ,  children (pl. - male and female)  youth, young men (pl.)
young (of animals)  sons (as characterization, i.e. sons of injustice [for un- righteous men]
or sons of God [for angels]  people (of a nation) (pl.)  of lifeless things, i.e. sparks, stars, arrows)

Jesus said angels do not marry, which is a union of man and women.
Could these “sons of God” be angels because “ben” has a minor inclusion “sons of God for angels” in the definition?
4,842 times “ben” was used in the Old Testament, and ZERO times translated as “angels(ASV) and 0 for 4,906 in the KJV.
Therefore the Hebrew language testifies against “sons of God” as fallen angels.

Next we find in Job the phrase “sons of God” used agai
Job 1:6  Now it came to pass on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves
             before Jehovah, that Satan also came among them.

      2:1  again it came to pass on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves
             before Jehovah, that Satan came also among them to present himself before Jehovah.

    38:7  when the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
And again there is no specific identification that "sons ("ben") of God" were angels (malak).
(morning stars” can be shown as a metaphor for saints of God and children of Abraham.)

Now for New Testament "the sons of God" references:
Luke 20:34   Jesus said unto them, The sons of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
Luke 20:36  for neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels;
and ARE sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

Paul to the churches:
Galatians 3:26 For ye are all sons of God, through faith, in Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 1:5 having fore-ordained us unto adoption as sons through Jesus Christ...
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be LIKE him; for we shall see him as he is.1John 3:2
What we see and do not see in the above scriptures
Are any angels, fallen or otherwise called “sons of God?
Are men, “they that are accounted worthy  called “sons of God-YES!
Are Old Testament saints who were “they of faith”, and “sons of Abraham”,
   also “
sons of the resurrection” and “accounted worthy ? -YES! 
Are the same “sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus”, “sons of God? -YES!
Did Abraham have faith and look for Jesus? -YES!
Jesus saidAbraham saw my day and rejoiced”. John 8:56
Now we have two witnesses in Jesus Christ and Witness Paul telling us who the sons of God really are.
If that were not enough, we see "angels" (aggelos) used 176 times in the New Testament and not one single time are they referred to as "sons" or "sons of God". "Aggelos", Gr, #32, "angel(s), messenger(s).

Angelic Sons of God Error Corrected, reason number 3:
In scripture, the Word instructs us that a teaching and truth are built “line upon line, line upon line”.
Furthermore, scripture tells us that “in the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established”.

The premise that fallen-angels-sons-of-God, were able to make babies with human women have the following number of verses to additionally witness that theory:

That is correct, there are no verses in either the Old or New Testaments pointing to women making babies with fallen angels.
Jesus did not mention this as an end time warning in Matthew 24 when he gave signs to watch out for, nor did Paul write of such nonsense when he wrote about the end times. And God repeats history. 
He said “perilous times shall come, ...…..” in 2Timothy 3, and he made a substantial list!
The "signs" most warned? The "deceivers" "false teachers" "seducing spirits" and "demon doctrines".

There is a place where Jesus said the devil himself could father children.
He told the Jews and pharisees in  John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil,
and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him

Did the devil have sex with the mothers of the pharisees?
Jesus clearly said they were of their father the devil.
HOW did the devil make baby pharisees? -and how could the devil father human children?

Do you think if the devil could have physical sex to impregnate women, make giants and “nephillum”, that he would have stayed pretty busy making as many as possible all through history?
Here is what Jesus said about "good seed" and "tares" who are of bad seed.
Matthew 13:38 and the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one

How did tares become "SONS of the evil one"? 
Are we are supposed to accept that a one-night-verse-stand back there in Genesis 6 by sexy fallen angels, that for some odd reason never again happened in scripture,
nor was spoken of as such, nor warned about, is  somehow fit for Christian consumption?
     -I don’t think so, unless you want to accept purgatory and prayers for the dead.

No friends, no scripture is of private interpretation.
It is error to isolate one passage and teach a doctrinal fable built around one verse, with no corroborating scripture testimony.
Sons Of God Error Corrected Reason 4:
God created “seed and set into motion a law that said seed would reproduce after like kind.
An apple seed brings forth an apple tree. A cows “seed” brings forth calves.
Angels cannot reproduce with humans. Angels are called “ministering spirits”, and “a spirit has not flesh and bone”. 

Seed reproduces kind, and the only seed a seducing spirit can sow is spiritual seed via words,i.e. “doctrines of demons”.

It was that very method the devil by which deceived Eve in the garden, a demon doctrine deceived her and it was spiritual words that she believed. A lie is a spiritual seed.
21 And God created the great sea-monsters, and every living creature that moveth,
           …. after
their kind, and every winged bird after its kind:
24         And God said, Let the earth bring forth living creatures after
their kind, cattle,
           and creeping things, and beasts of the earth after their kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind,
           and everything that creepeth upon the ground
after its kind: ...
There ZERO scriptures stating that angels (spirits) can reproduce flesh. That which is begotten of the flesh is flesh, that which is of the Spirit is spirit".
    1Tim 1:3)  As I exhorted thee to tarry at Ephesus, when I was going into Macedonia,
                      that thou mightest charge certain men not to teach a different doctrine,
 4)   neither to give heed to fables and endless genealogies,
which minister questionings
"Fables" is “muthos”, which is a tale, that is, fiction, (myth).
There are a number of warnings people do not seem to care to observe:
1Timothy 4:7   But refuse profane and old wives' fables. And exercise thyself unto godliness.
Was it fables about “old wives” and fallen angel genealogies  that were being referred to?
There is no evidence for “fallen angels” making babies by having sex with humans in scripture except by perverting a few words and passages, that are not even specific about angels having sex with humans.

But there are warnings about giving heed to “seducing spirits” and doctrines of demons.
Seducing spirits” do not have sex with human women,
It is their “
doctrines” that spiritually impregnate the “sons of God”.

That is why Jesus told them they were of their father the devil.
Today,  myth and fable are mainstream, and sell well. Extra-Biblical books are referenced in scripture itself. But we are forbidden to establish doctrine apart from scripture, and without additional witness in scripture itself.
There is no scripture witness from scripture of demons making human babies :)
Let's chain ourselves to what is written, anytime we depart from that deception waits.

Sons Of God Error Corrected Reason 5:
No scriptures in the New Testament, say anything remotely close to fallen angels making babies with humans” error.

Are fallen angels ever called “sons of God” in the New Testament? NO!
Does the New Testament even mention angels and sonship?
- ‎"For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son,
   this day have I begotten thee? -Heb 1:5
Those holding the fallen angels are “sons of God” in Genesis 6 and Job, find themselves directly contradicting God saying to which of his angels at any time did He say “thou art My son”!
Angels are "spirits".
Heb. 1:13 But of which of the angels hath he said at any time, Sit thou on my right hand,
Till I make thine enemies the footstool of thy feet?
14) Are they not all ministering spirits.
Can a fallen angel produce human or angelic sperm in order to impregnate a human woman?
Not according to Jesus:
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
"flesh": The flesh, denotes human nature and the physical substance of human kind.
"spirit": A spirit, i.e. a simple essence, devoid of all or at least all grosser matter,
and possessed of the power of knowing, desiring, deciding, and acting. 
A spirit can inhabit a body (satan entered into Judas), a spirit can appear as a man, but never is a spirit given capability to produce human seed.
The ONLY seed an evil fallen angel can sow is a lie.
Just because angels materialized into human form and ate food does not mean mean they had every human capability including reproduction. The scripture does not state the attribute that  angels can  make human “seed”, and cross breed, as seed begets "kind" after its’ own "kind".

Matthew 13:38 and the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom;
                     and the tares are the sons of the evil one
That's right, sons of the "evil one" are "tares" because they receive the "seed" of the devil, i.e. lies.

Were "sons of Belial" angels or human?
1 Samuel 2:12          Now the sons of Eli were sons of Belial; they knew not the LORD.
1 Samuel 10:27        But the children of Belial said, How shall this man save us?
1 Samuel 1:16          Count not thine handmaid for a daughter of Belial
Deuteronomy 13:13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;
Judges 19:22           Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, ..and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.

We ask, if sons of God are fallen angels, and both men and fallen angels are of their father the devil, what made both "kind" sons of the devil?
-was it physical procreation or was it spiritual by following a lie and rebellion?
Sons Of God Error Corrected Reason 6:
Warning, fables-fables-fables
Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures Jesus said in the passage regarding angels, men, sons of God. Some folks believe the Book of Enoch is scripture. However if the Book of Enoch is not scripture, it is not to be included as a witness to a doctrine and Jesus did not refer to it or quote from it. Paul did not quote from it, Jude says "Enoch prophesied...", but nothing more.

This is stark contrast to the hundreds of quotes from OT scriptures in the New Testament.
Jude quotes a prophesy from Enoch, just as other words are quoted from many other prophets. The "Book of Enoch" and the writings of Enoch are nowhere validated as scripture, by the scripture
Others prophesied likewise:
" And there was also a man that prophesied in the name of Jehovah, Uriah " -Jer. 26:20
".. sons of Asaph, ... who prophesied after the order of the king." 1Chron 25:2
"Of the sons of Jeduthun: Gedaliah, and Zeri, and Jeshaiah, Hashabiah, and Mattithiah, six, under the hands of their father Jeduthun with the harp, who prophesied in giving thanks and praising Jehovah." 1Chron 25:3
So we see that even though others "prophesied" as Enoch did, the "Book of Enoch" is not given as scripture but a prophesy by Enoch is witnessed by scripture...
1. 1Timothy 1:4 neither to give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questionings, rather than a dispensation of God which is in faith; so do I now.
2. 1Timothy 4:7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables. And exercise thyself unto godliness:
3. 2Timothy 4:4 and will turn away their ears from the truth, and turn aside unto fables.
4. Titus 1:14 not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men
who turn away from the truth.  
(bad fruit turns God's people away from scripture)
5. 2Peter 1:16 For we did not follow cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ
Once the unvarnished truth is accepted, the doctrine of hormone-driven sexy angels marrying or sexually molesting women and making babies who become giants is absurd and ridiculous.
God repeats history. He declared it so in Ecc. 1:8-9. The things that have been are the things that shall be
Because doctrine is not to be established by one verse or context, true doctrine will be established by "line upon line...".
I submit to you, the reader, that no scripture states that angels are "sons of God", but scriptures do say that men are called "sons of God'. 
I submit that in no other passage of scripture is there reference to, or a declaration of angelic spirits having sexual relations with human women and making babies. 
I submit to you that God repeats history and we can demonstrate that in the scripture. But I cannot find any repetition of God repeating the alleged "sons of God-fallen angel" theory of them making babies with humans.
In closing, here are three scriptures that cannot lie, but men can be deceived into lying about them.  
Read them with care and decide for yourself.
...   the nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that,
     when the sons of God came unto the daughters of men,
...   neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection
...   For unto which of the angels said he at any time,  Thou art my son ?

*** Further scripture notes on “Sons of God”:

If "sons" of God means or included "angels", then there is not a single evidence of that in these passages which mention "sons" of God:

Exodus 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son
Deuteronomy 32:19         And the Lord saw it, and abhorred them, Because of the provocation of his sons and his daughters
John 1:12     But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God
to them that believe on his name:

1Chron 17:13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him
1 Chron 22:10 He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father
Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
Rev  21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son
Did OT saints “overcome?
Did they believe God?
Did they “see from afar” the promises of God in Christ?

Isaiah 43:6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far,
and my daughters from the ends of the earth;
Isaiah 45:11 Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker,
Ask me of things to come concerning my sons,
                  and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.

2Corinthians 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Hebrews 11 tells us who the “sons of God by FAITH in Christ Jesuswere:
4 By faith Abel 5 By faith Enoch 7 By faith Noah,8 By faith Abraham

13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them and greeted them  from afar
24  By faith Moses... 26  accounting the reproach of Christ greater riches
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth
27) By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
Galatians 3:26 For ye are all
sons of God, through faith, in Christ Jesus.
Romans 8:14 For as many as are
led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Luke 20:36 for neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels;
and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

Did OT saints “overcome?
Did they believe God?
Did they “see from afar” the promises of God in Christ?

Not once are angels “sons” in any of those passages..

Genesis 3:15 and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed: he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Should we accept that both the woman and the serpent have "seed", and that the serpent was the devil,
both are prophesied to have "seed", in Hebrew meaning ones 

Since both would have a "posterity", did the devil continue to have human children through sexual reproduction? -or would his children be those that received the same lie, and have the same nature as the serpent?? -just as the pharisees who were called children of the devil.
-The woman's "seed" is recognized as Jesus who would come to bruise the "head" of satan.

Luke 6:35             But love your enemies, and do them good, and lend, never despairing; and your reward shall be great, and you shall be sons of the Most High

!! Do you know that NONE of the angels mentioned in scripture such as Michael and Gabriel, are ever specifically called "sons of God", not in any passage anywhere in the entire Bible!!

Can you find non-human "sons of God here?

Deuteronomy 32:19         And Jehovah saw it, and abhorred them, Because of the provocation of his sons and his daughters.
Judges 5:5 And the children of Israel dwelt among the Canaanites, the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites: (unlike any angels, the children of Israel WERE called “sons of God”)
6 and they took their daughters (of pagan men) to be their wives, (to the sons of God)
 and gave their own daughters to their sons  (of men) and served their gods.
7 And the children of Israel did that which was evil in the sight of Jehovah, and forgot Jehovah their God, and served the Baalim and the Asheroth.

Do these include angels as sons of God?

Isaiah 43:6          I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back; bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the end of the earth
2 Corinthians 6:18  And I will be to you a Father, And you shall be to me sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.


  1. I thank YHWH (God) for this article. I've seen a lot of this false teaching and this is the very first time of seen it met with Scripture showing it to be the error that it is.

    Shalom In Yahshua.


  3. I believe the article I have written is as the Lord directed, and is a thorough "line upon line" scriptural view of the subject, without inserting ideas or meanings not supported by scripture itself. -God bless.

  4. Obvious questions as seen in the scriptures - Goliath & Anakim & Watchers and lets use scripture to define scripture.
    The Emim, Zuzim, Anakim, Oz of Bashan & Goliath were giants (Numbers 13:32-33 & Deut 2:10-11, Deut 2:20-21, Deut 3:11, Deut 13:28) - this cannot be denied.
    There are male & female "messengers/angles" as seen in the OT- this cannot be denied.
    There are multiple types of angelic beings - sephriam, ceraphim, watchers, and angels - this cannot be denied.
    Would suggest reading the original 1611 KJV with the FULL 79 books :)

    PS To dismiss the book of Enoch without reading it one self close minded and intellectually dishonest. Dismissal of any writing should be based on disagreement of "written word".

  5. About doctrines of demons:
    2Timothy 2:23 But foolish and ignorant questionings refuse, knowing that they gender strifes...
    1. "foolish": dull, heedless, absurd, stupid
    2. "questionings": a dispute or its' theme
    3. "strifes": ***battle, controversy, quarrel, disputes***
    Do what with them? –“refuse”??
    That’s G3868: to beg off, deprecate, decline, shun: - avoid, (make) excuse, entreat, refuse, reject.
    To not do so is to “give place to the devil”
    1. People holding them will *vigorously* press them by fleshly debate and strife. -and call it "zeal" or even “truth”
    Demons persistently strive to have the last word.
    Characteristics and nature of these demons working through people:
    a. they are ATTENTION-loving
    b. they will argue and argue and argue and argue and…..
    c. they do so in order to draw people into fruitless discussions and stir the flesh nature.

  6. Of all our writings, none has stirred up people like this one. We will not permit our place here to become a debate forum or give place to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. If some disagree that is fine, pray for us that God will help us grow in grace and truth. "Cease from strife" is good counsel and produces peaceable fruit of righteousness.. Be blessed through JESUS the Christ.

  7. Thank you Rory for this very good article. There is great pleasure when the Truth is spoken.
    This is quite refreshing from all the popular teachings that do not make any sense.

    God said unto Noah : The end of ALL flesh is come before me.....behold I will destroy them with the earth. (Genesis 16:13)
    If the sons of God are angels, obviously God does not consider them among those who are flesh.

    And ALL flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that
    creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. (Genesis 7:21-22)

    All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another (1 Cor 15:39-40)

    So we have 2 lists in Genesis 7 and 1 Corinthians 15 of the creatures which are flesh. By these 2 witnesses , no mention is ever made of angels being flesh. Only men and animals.
    Do angels have breath of life in their nostrils ? No. Adam has, because he was a living soul. (Genesis 2:7) (1 Cor 15:44-45) but angels are spirits, they do not need to breath.

    Also all flesh (men and animals) have blood. Without blood there is no living creature of flesh. Angels have no blood because they are not flesh. They can't die either. Only flesh dies, like grass. If a creature has no blood , he can not procreate.
    The celestial bodies have no blood. When Jesus resurrected (He was not glorified yet) , He did not had blood again , after having offered it along with his body for the life of the world.

    Some time ago , the Holy Spirit of our God led me to study Genesis 4 and 5 , to help me understand the beginning of Genesis 6. When God teaches , there is no confusion but great peace and clarity, it never draws us away from the purity and simplicity that are in Jesus-Christ.

    Blessings to you and yours,
    Eric Debonnaire

    1. Thank you for those comments Eric.. Those are great points and I believe the Lord showed them to you likewise.

  8. Rory, You didn't offer an exegesis of Jude Vs 6-7 in which the angels kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation - a sin that is likened by Jude to that of the sexual immorality of the men of Sodom and Gomorrha, i.e. homosexuality. Also, why is there no resurrection for the Rephaim, a race of giants produced by union with daughters of men and sons of God (Isaiah 26:14)?

  9. RE: Jude. The simple answer is their first estate was in the third heaven, where they were not married or given in marriage, and they fell with lucifer/satan.
    Isa. 26:14 speaks of the lost and there is no mention of giants, Rephaim, or nephiilim in that passage. The lost dead are not resurrected in the first resurrection. Rev. 20:4-6.
    The consistent problem I see with the error of angels making babies with humans is people reading into the scriptures ideas or words that are not thee. Not one scripture states anges are sons of God, many state who ARE "sons of God". the problem is people want to believe those who are not sons are.. and the idea sells well in books and videos.

  10. One other dilemma the angels make babies with humans have is that scripture truth is built "line upon line, line upon line", Isa. 28:10-11. WHERE are the 2-3 scripture witnesses speak that angels made babies with humans?
    God bless.

  11. what I have observed among those that claim angels made human babies and married human women, (which is contrary to Jesus words here: Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry,
    ==> nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
    Gen. 6:2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men ... and they took them wives
    1. to which of angels did he say "you are the sons of God"? -or equivalent, at "ANY TIME"?....
    ===> scriptures?
    Other angels:
    Was lucifer ever called a son of God?
    Are fallen angels specifically called sons of God? Scripture?
    ==> "to which of angels (fallen or not) did he say "you are My son"? ( -or equivalent), at "ANY TIME"?" with scripture please.
    is that they all lean on the understanding of others...... and pass around the same information. We will stay with "as it is written.."
    God bless.

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  13. No we are not offended, nor do we seek endless arguments based on assumptions or conclusions not expressed in scripture.
    You wrote a few things that illustrate the error associated with the theory angels married humans and made babies.
    "Did the angels leave their own habitation/bodies and estate? "
    Ans. The angels that sinned fell from their estate/place/principality with God where he first created them.
    error: No scripture they left their bodies.
    2Peter 2:4 does not say anything about angels sinning with humans and fornication. They fell because they followed lucifer and believed the lie. It does not say anywhere angels sinned by marrying human women and fornication.
    Jude does not say angels went after "strange flesh" but the men of Sodom did. Note the word "flesh" in Jude 7.
    It does say angels were cast out of heaven. Here is where Lucifer lost his "first estate".
    Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. In Isa. 14, where the reason for the fall of Lucifer is given, there is nothing about fornicating angels.
    The "chains of darkness" refers to the spiritual darkness and absence of the Light of Truth.
    Even in Rev. and 1/3 of stars falling, there is no mention of angels either being sons or fornicating.
    Did they commit sexual immorality and go after strange flesh?
    Bottom line, I do not believe the error that angels married humans and made babies.
    Every argument used to support that notion uses assumptive reasoning and lacks proof.
    In the written scripture:
    it is not written angels are called sons of God.
    it is not written angels married humans.
    it is not written angels made or still make babies with humans through fornication, married or otherwise.
    If anyone wants to believe what is not written but wants to believe their own ideas about these, that is between them and God.
    last scripture and this one applies:
    1Corinthians 11:16 But if any man seemeth to be contentious,
    ==> we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
    ===> The reasonings and assumptions do not convince me the scripture says what it does not say. <===
    God bless you and if you think we are wrong, pray for us.