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Friday, February 25, 2011

Sixty Five Reasons Tithing Is Error

This writing is a methodical and systematic breakdown of the tithing error as commonly taught around Christianity and especially in the institutional churches.

Abraham and the tithe
1. It was a one time tithe from that which was not his. (the spoils of war).
       (Gen. 14:20)
2. he gave away the other 90 %  (Gen. 14:21-23)
3. There is no scripture he ever tithed again either from his own wealth or that captured in war.
4. Abram was rich in cattle, silver, and gold, but paid no tithe on these in scripture. Genesis (13:2 )
5. Nowhere do the apostles comand the church to tithe like Abraham, as a continuing practice.
6. Abraham lived before before Moses.The Old Testament was collectivly called The Law, and also called Torah, but the law never gave Abraham as an example for paying tithes from income, money, or produce.
7. Abraham never made a tithe covenant. After tithing to Melchizedek, Abraham did not tithe from the goods and money given to him from Abimelech. Gen. 20:14-16
8. Abraham and God did make a continuing covenant regarding circumcision. -but not one for tithing.(Gen. 17:10-12)
9. His son Isaac never tithed in scripture.
10. His grandson Jacob pledged a tithe, but the Bible never says if he gave one or who he gave it to.

Israel and the tithe.

11. The law of Moses gave the ordinance of tithing. (Lev. 27:30)
    (but we have been "discharged" from the law" in Rom 7:6/ Eph. 2:15).
12. God defined the tithe in His ordinances and commands under the law,  as farm products.
 Leviticus.27:30-31 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree,
 is Jehovah's: it is holy unto Jehovah.
Deuteronomy 14:23   And thou shalt eat before Jehovah thy God, in the place which he shall choose,
to cause his name to dwell there, the tithe of thy grain, of thy new wine,
and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herd and of thy flock; ....

13. The tithe was FOOD from both farm products and clean animals from inside His holy land of Israel.
Zech 2:12 And Jehovah shall inherit Judah as his portion in the holy land, and shall yet choose Jerusalem.)

14. Strangers, foreigners, fishermen, and tradesmen, were not commanded to tithe.  
(Numbers 18:28 Thus ye also shall offer a heave-offering unto Jehovah of all your tithes
which ye receive of the children of Israel;)

15. The tithe was to provide food for the Levite priests, sojourners, widows, orphans.
Deuteronomy 26:12 When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithe of thine increase in the third year,  which is the year of tithing, then thou shalt give it unto the Levite,
 to the sojourner, to the fatherless, and to the widow, that they may eat within thy gates,
 and be filled.

Numbers 20:21 and unto the children of Levi, behold, I have given all the tithe in Israel for an  inheritance,   in return for their service which they serve, the service of the tent of meeting. 

16. The tithe was also brought into the temple storehouse and was eaten and used by the priests, ministers, porters, and singers. The Levite priests were to give and distribute the tithes to others.
                 Nehemiah 10:38 And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites,
                 when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe
                 of the tithes unto the house  of our God
, to the chambers, into the treasure-house.
                              39  For the children of Israel and the children of Levi shall bring
                                     the heave-offering of the grain,  of the new wine, and of the oil,
                                     unto the chambers, where are the vessels of the sanctuary,
                                     and the priests that minister, and the porters, and the singers:
                                     and we will not forsake the house of our God.

17. The tithe was never for the benefit of one man.
18. The Levite Priests that ate of the tithe could not own land, thus they could not grow food.
Deuteronomy 18:2 And they shall have no inheritance among their brethren:
               Jehovah is their inheritance,  as he hath spoken unto them.

The Tithe In Malachi:

19. In Malachi it is the priests that God rebuked over robbing tithes and offerings.
      2:1    And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.
20. In Malachi the prophet rebukes the priests, the religious leaders, for not  providing for the "the hireling
      in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the sojourner
21. The hireling and his wages were not commanded to tithe on them.
22.  In Malachi 3:7, the "ordinances" of the law are referenced and the priests rebuked
        for not tithing  and offering.
     (7 From the days of your fathers ye have turned aside from mine ordinances,
         and have not kept them.

23. Both tithes and offerings were commanded and defined by God in the law.
      (Tithes: DT. 14:23,  Lev. 27:30. Offerings: Exodus 29)
24. Malachi 3:9 is not a reference to tithing from income.
25. Malachi 3:9 is not quoted in the New Testament to any church or given as an ordinance to the churches      as in Acts 15 when the apostles and elders ruled on what law they were or were not to observe..

The seed tithe:

26. The "seed  tithe" was a yearly and third yearly tithe. Deut. 24:22)
27. The "seed" tithe could be turned "IN TO money", and taken to the feast.
28. The tithe turned into money could be used to buy "whatsoever thy soul desireth"
        for the tither and his family.
             Deut. 14:26  and thou shalt bestow the money for whatsoever thy soul desireth,
                                for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong
                               drink, or for whatsoever thy soul asketh of thee;
         and thou shalt eat there before Jehovah thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou and thy household.

29.  The every "third year" tithe of seed was commanded for the benefit of the Levite, stranger, orphans, and widows.
             Deut. 14:28   At the end of every three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine
                                  increase in the same year,  and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
                          29   and the Levite, because he hath no portion nor inheritance with thee,
                                  and the sojourner, and the fatherless, and the widow,
                                  that are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied;
                                  that Jehovah thy God may bless thee in all the work of thy hand.

30. The tithe itself was never defined as money by the Lord, nor were the Old Testament tithes  ever  redefined by an apostle or Jesus as 10% of income paid in money.

Tithing in In the New Testament:

31. Jesus affirmed tithing was as defined by God in the law, and was
       "of the matters of the law".
 Matthew 23::23
32. Jesus did not mention Abraham paying tithes before the law.
33. Jesus and the apostles never said paying a tithe from income was blessed.
34. Jesus did say He required disavowing ownership of all that we have,
       or we could not be disciples.
   Luke 14:33
35. Jesus affirmed to the Jews under the law, that they were to keep the law as it was written. Mat. 23:23
36. Jesus affirmed the tithe as it was given in the law, and not as 10% of income.
37. At His death, Jesus brought in the New Covenant.
        Hebrews 9:17 For a testament is of force where there hath been death:
                                 for it doth never avail while he that made it liveth.
                (that is why Jesus affirmed tithing, and other laws while he yet lived)

38. At the cross, Jesus annulled, discharged, abolished, blotted out,
      and canceled the ordinances of the Old Covenant.

                Eph. 2:15, Col. 2:914, 2Cor. 3:14
                are a few of the verses affirming the passing away of the ordinances.

39.  The tithe ordinance and command under the law was never changed into a tithe from money in the New Testament, nor was a church building ever called
 "the storehouse"

40a. In Hebrews 7, it is pointed out that men here, the Levites, had a command to take tithes from their brethren. This was defined back in the Old Covenant Law.
Hebrews 7:5 And they indeed of the sons of Levi that receive the priest's office have
commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law.

40b. There is no New Testament "office" of a priest.

41. The tithe in Hebrews 7 was not from income, nor was it money. (it was the lawful tithe)

42. The tithes in Hebrews 7 was not transformed into money and set aside
       for New Testament ministers

43. The church assembled in Acts 15 to deal with people that were troubling the churches
        and Christians,  
"subverting their souls", in that they were teaching Christians
        to keep the Old Testament law.

44. The apostles and elders stated "they gave no such command" to observe
       the Old Covenant law 
 (which included the tithe),
       and they forbid the legalists from going beyond the apostles doctrine.

45. In Galatians 1:7 Paul warned of those bringing New Testament Christians back under
      Old  Testament law, which he called "bondage" in Gal.5:1, and was what he warned about:

        "which is not another gospel only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert
           the gospel of Christ."
"pervert" means "to twist or change", as in changing the meaning of a word  into something God did not give or say..  Such as agricultural "tithe" was or is from income, or that a pastor is the equivalent of a Levite priest..

46. In none of the New Testament scriptures is "tithe" included in passages regarding "collection"s, gathering, giving, ministering, sacrifice, or offering.
47. Those who command and teach tithing from income are perverting the gospel because tithing as defined
      by God in the law, and tithing 10% from income are not given to any church or saint.

48. God forbid us to change, pervert, add to, or diminish from the gospel
      for example to change the tithe into a payment to the church.

49. No pastor, prophet, apostle, or minister in scripture ever testified of paying tithes from income.
50. No prophet, pastor, apostle, or minister has a scriptural command to take tithes from their
      brethren according to Old Testament law, or New Testament command
51. No teacher, preacher, pastor, apostle, or prophet has authority to pervert the OT tithe into NT doctrine.  because Paul wrote in 1Corinthians 4:6
      ... "that you might learn  not to go beyond that which is written that none of you
      might be puffed up... against the other
52. Paul and the other apostles gave us the New Testament commands of the Lord.
     There was no command, ordinance, quoting of tithe laws, or reminders to  "pay tithes".
      Their words are the Words of God and the commands to Christians.

                      Matthew 28:20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: ...  
                 Acts 1: ... 1 concerning all that Jesus began both to do and to teach,
                                 2  until the day in which he was received up, after that,
                                      he had given commandment 
 through the Holy Spirit  unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
What the apostles taught:

53. The church in Acts continued in what the Holy Ghost filled apostles taught.
      Acts 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles` teaching and fellowship, in the breaking of bread and the prayers.
54.  The church received the teaching and commands of the Lord through the apostles.

                   2nd Peter 3:2 that ye should remember the words which were spoken before
                          by the holy prophets,
                          and the commandments of the Lord and Saviour through your apostles:
55. The church was told to remember their teaching, and they never taught tithing to the church.
56. The church acknowledged the apostles ministry were the commandments of the Lord.
        Since the apostles never commanded tithing, it is not a commandment of the Lord.
                   1Cor 14:37  If any man thinketh himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him take knowledge of the 
things which I write unto you, that they are the commandment of the Lord.

57. The churches were expected to continue in the apostles commands and not go beyond that.
         2Thess 3: 4 And we are confident in the Lord that you are doing and will continue
                       to do the things we commanded you.NLT
                    :4We have confidence in the Lord that you are doing and will
                       continue to do the things we command. NIV

58. The early Jewish church knew the Lord had commanded we are not to add to His Word,
      diminish from it, or pervert the meaning of it.

       Galatians 1:7 which is not another gospel only there are some that trouble you,
                           and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

         Deuteronomy 16:19   Thou shalt not wrest justice: thou shalt not respect persons;
                                         neither shalt thou take a bribe
 for a bribe doth blind the eyes of the
and pervert the words of the righteous.
59. Since the commands of the Lord given through the apostles do not include tithing from
       income, those who 
 teach tithing from income are illegally adding to His Word
       and need to be corrected.

           Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, that shall ye observe to do:
                                                        thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it. 
60. The original church in Acts never mentioned any tithing, rather they "had ALL things common",  sharing,  and meeting each others need. Acts 2
         44  And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
         45  and they sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all,
               according as any man had need

61. NONE of the churches that teach tithing do the above.
      2 Corinthians 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God:
                                 but as of sincerity, 
 but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
62. When Tithes and offerings are recorded for charitable contribution tax deductions
       by every church organizations and ministry, and as such, are reported to the government
       for a tax deduction,  You have your reward.
       Matthew 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your righteousness before men,
                          to be seen (observed) of them:
                          else ye have no reward with your Father who is in heaven.
63. T
he tax deduction is the full reward for reported tithing.
        The reward comes from man and not from God.
         (from Steve Deakins). Reported tax-deductible tithing is seen by a church administrator,
         bank, and tax authorities to whom it is reported, and any official that looks at your tax forms.

What the New Testament DOES say:

64. "GIVE and it shall be given..."
 Luke 11:41  But rather give alms of such things as ye have
        Acts 20:35   I have shewed you all things, how that so laboring ye ought to support the weak,
                and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said,
                It is more blessed to give than to receive.
2 Corinthians 9:7   Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly,
                                      or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
 Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands
                                the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
Matthew 6:1   Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them:
                               otherwise ye have no reward 
         Luke 11:41 But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and,
                                behold, all things are clean unto you

There is not one single instruction to any church or saint under New Covenant scripture, to pay a tithe to anyone.
It is clear from many, many passages that New Testament giving was done in order to meet the needs of others. Something most tithers will not do because they paid their obligation to the church and believe the other 90% is theirs.

Friday, February 18, 2011

Does our "offering" Stink?

Back to Malachi.
It was not just a matter of tithes God was addressing in the passage from Malachi so often quoted and used as a fear tactic to extract the 10% from our gross or net.
    God gave equal emphasis to the "offerings" He required under the Law. 

The church kind of skips over that part of the verse, just like they don't connect the "ordinances" in verse 7 with what God abolished in the new Testament.
"From the days of your fathers ye have turned aside from mine ordinances"...

Let's look at what God required in those "offerings". 

The required  OFFERINGS…… will still be cursed EVEN IF YOU TITHE 
Malachi 3:8-10 "Will a man rob God? Yet you have robbed Me!  
                   But you say, 'In what way have we robbed You?'  In tithes and offerings      
GOD defined the "offerings" that the Levite priests (not regular people) were robbing from God in Malachi 3. Mal. 2:1   And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.

Those "offerings" were just as lawful as the tithes.
When we see how God defined what the offerings were, we will see Christians do not give correct "offerings" as required in the Law from which Malachi was referring in 3: 7            
"From the days of your fathers ye have turned aside from mine ordinances"...
(ordinances which were not given to the church)

Here is a list that includes most of them:
Ex 13:12 First offspring of every womb every firstling which thou hast that cometh of a beast; the males
Ex 29:14 Sin offering   the flesh of the bullock, and its skin, and it dung
Ex 29:18 Burnt offering  thou shalt burn the whole ram upon the altar
Ex 29:40 Drink offering   according to the drink-offering
Ex 29:41 Grain offering  the meal-offering of the morning

Ex 30:10 -16 Annual atonement (vs 13The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less, than the half shekel, ...the offering of The LORD, to make atonement for your souls)

Lev 3:1 Fellowship offering  a sacrifice of peace-offerings; if he offer of the herd
Lev 5:15 Guilt offering his trespass-offering unto Jehovah, a ram without blemish, the shekel of the sanctuary, for a trespass-offering
Lev. 7:11 Thanksgiving offering    offer with the sacrifice of thanksgiving unleavened cakes
Lev. 7:13 Peace offering   cakes of leavened bread he shall offer his oblation with the sacrifice of his peace-offerings

Lev 7:12  Thank offering  offer with the sacrifice of thanksgiving unleavened cakes
Lev. 7:32  Heave offering       the right thigh shall ye give unto the priest for a heave-offering 
Lev 7:37   Ordination offering  he law of the burnt-offering, of the meal-offering, and of the sin-offering, and of the trespass-offering, and of the consecration, and of the sacrifice of peace-offerings;
Lev 19:24  Praise offering for new fruit trees   in the fourth year all the fruit thereof shall be holy, for giving praise unto Jehovah

Lev 22:18  Freewill offering  Whosoever he be of the house of Israel, or of the sojourners in Israel, that offereth his oblation, whether it be any of their vows, or any of their freewill-offerings, which they offer unto Jehovah for a burnt-offering

Num 5:15 Grain offering for jealousy      meal-offering of jealousy,
Num 5:15 Reminder offering  a meal-offering of memorial
Num 5:26 Memorial offering for discovering sin the priest shall take a handful of the meal-offering, as the memorial thereof
Num 19:17 Purification offering   for the unclean they shall take of the ashes of the burning of the sin-offering
Num 28:14 Monthly burnt offering 
in the beginnings of your months ye shall offer a burnt-offering unto the LORD

Deuteronomy 16:10     ...shalt keep the feast of weeks unto the LORD
      thy God with a tribute of a freewill offering .... according as the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:

Deuteronomy 12:11... Then there (in Jerusalem)  shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; there shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand, and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD:
Those that insist on trying to "tithe" to avoid the curse and earn the blessings, their failure to keep the rest of Malachi 3:8

"Offerings" very seldom get proper attention.
This is primarily because most church spokesman focus on that 10% to fund the church.
To add insult to injury, tithing puts you under a curse because it is adding a practice to the New Testament scripture that neither God nor the apostles ever commanded Christians to do. 

Have you ever heard of a tither getting sick, having problems with his children, borrowing money, losing their home, suffering pain or affliction?

Those are some of the things mentioned in the "curse" that Malachi wrote about, and also Paul in Galatians.
Luke 18:12-14
12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me a sinner!'
14) I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other;
We have considered Malachi's tithes, now let's turn on the truth-spotlight on Malachi's offerings.

We did a search of the New Testament (our Covenant) for "offering" and "offerings".
In church, the weekly tithes, offering plate and envelopes are distributed every service, as if God set it up that way in the Bible.

The truth is there is neither tithes NOR offerings are given to the church in the New Testament. Have you ever heard the phrase "bring your offering" or similar in church?

Here is every New Testament verse with "offering":

1 Mark 12:33 and to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is much more than
all whole burnt-offerings a
nd sacrifices.
2 Luke 21:5   And as some spake of the temple, adorned with goodly stones and offerings..
3 Acts 24:17  Now after some years I came to bring alms to my nation, and offerings:
4 Hebrews 10:6        In whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hadst no pleasure:
5 Hebrews 10:8        Saying above, Sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein (the which are offered according to the
1 Matthew 5:23         If therefore thou art offering thy gift at the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath aught against thee...
2 Luke 23:36   And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, offering him vinegar,
3 Acts 21:26  Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them went into the temple, declaring the fulfilment of the days of purification, until the offering was offered for every one of them.
4 Romans 15:16      that I should be a minister of Christ Jesus unto the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be made acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Spirit.
5 Ephesians 5:2       and walk in love, even as Christ also loved you, and gave himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for an odor of a sweet smell.
6 Hebrews 10:5        Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, But a body didst thou prepare for me;

7 Hebrews 10:10      By which will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
8 Hebrews 10:11      And every priest indeed standeth day by day ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, the which can never take away sins:
9 Hebrews 10:14      For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
10 Hebrews 10:18    Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
11 Hebrews 11:17    By faith Abraham, being tried, offered up Isaac: yea, he that had gladly received the promises was offering up his only begotten son;
12 Hebrews 13:11    For the bodies of those beasts whose blood is brought into the holy place by the high priest as an offering for sin, are burned without the camp.
With few exceptions, offerings are mentioned in the New Testament scriptures in reference to the offerings defined by God from back under the Old Testament Law which is done away in Christ.

Let's see what a search of the New Testament church yields in regard to what the church practices. We find  "collection" and "collections" mentioned ONE time in Corinth.
Chapter 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I gave order to the churches of Galatia, so also do ye.
2 Upon the first day of the week let each one of you lay by him in store, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come.

The word "giving" is found 26 times in the New Testament and only once in the epistles to the church:
Phillipians 4:15   And ye yourselves also know, ye Philippians, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church had fellowship with me in the matter of giving and receiving but ye only;

This "matter" Paul spoke of was relating to his needs being met. He was in prison and prisoners were supplied by friends and family.
Phillipians 4:17   Not that I seek for the gift; but I seek for the fruit that increaseth to your account.
However, there are many, many exhortations and reminders to meet the needs of others such as illustrated by these passages:

"Gift": 2nd Corinthians 1:11           ye also helping together on our behalf by your supplication; that, for the gift bestowed upon us by means of many, thanks may be given by many persons on our behalf. and to the Philippians,
The word "give" is used many, many times (176 times) in the entire NT, but never in a context of a weekly church collection. The one collection mentioned was for giving TO the saints at Jerusalem.

2nd Cor    9:9            as it is written, He hath scattered abroad,
                                    he hath given to the poor; His righteousness abideth for ever.
Galatians 2:10          only they would that we should remember the poor;
                                   which very thing I was also zealous to do
Romans 15:26          For it hath been the good pleasure of Macedonia and Achaia to make
                        a certain contribution for the poor among the saints at Jerusalem.
Acts 2:45        and they sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all, according
                        as any man had need.
Acts 4:35        and laid them at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto each,
                        according as any one had need.
Phillipians 4:16        for even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my need.
Ephesians 4:28        Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labor, working with his hands the thing that is good, that he may have whereof to give to him that hath need.
1st John 3:17   But whoso hath the world's goods, and beholdeth his brother in need, and shutteth up his compassion from him, how doth the love of God abide in him?
Acts 20:35     In all things I gave you an example, that so laboring ye ought to help the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that he himself said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
And let's throw in a Proverb:  (28:27)  He that giveth unto the poor shall not lack; But he that hideth his eyes shall have many a curse.
Did Jesus teach His disciples to gather, collect, and take up offerings for themselves?
Mat. 25:35 for I was hungry, and ye gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink; I was a stranger, and ye took me in; 36 naked, and ye clothed me; I was sick, and ye visited me; I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

To whom was He referring?
40  And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it unto one of these my brethren, even these least, ye did it unto me.
The way it works in church today, the building, organization, and many ministers are taking what the Lord intended for the needs of others, for their own  benefit. And the typical church member participates with a nice, comfortable building to go to once or twice a week for great music and a sermon from a hired messenger. 

This passage caught my attention and is very convicting for us former church-goers that were trained to feed the offering plate instead of God's people. And let's rethink where those offerings are to go while we are at it.:

Jesus said in the strongest of terms: (Please read these and ask yourself, Did HE really mean what he said here?)

37        Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry, and fed thee? or athirst, and gave thee drink?
41        Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:
42        for I was hungry, and ye did not give me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink;
43        I was a stranger, and ye took me not in; naked, and ye clothed me not; sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44        Then shall they also answer, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45  Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not unto one of these least, ye did it not unto me.
46   And these shall go away into eternal punishment: but the righteous into eternal life.: 

Isn't it odd that people enrich famous ministers and for the most part ignore the poor? The comparison to our enrichment of preachers and televangelists is in stark, convicting contrast in our treatment of the poor.

The leaven of tradition has spoiled the definitions and meanings of both tithes and offerings as defined by God.

By tithing and trying to be justified by a law God never yoked the church to, and forgetting about the OFFERINGS the Law requires, the curse of the law has cause to alight.
The Law is ALL or nothing… all 613 Commandments

Church leaders have redefined (i.e. perverted) the meanings of both tithes and offerings for many years, right down to that weekly offering plate for which there is no instruction that it was to be an on-going permanent practice.

Wednesday, February 16, 2011

NEPOTISM: The family-run church




Recently we posted on a local forum on the topic of "nepotism" as we observed it so often in the "church" world we left behind. A bit of research from Wikipedia regarding the term "nepotism" yields the astounding revelation that the practice itself was begun in "Christianity"!

What is "nepotism"? "Nepotism is the showing of favoritism toward relatives, based upon that relationship, rather than on an objective evaluation of ability or suitability."

Where did nepotism originate? From Wikipedia: "Nepotism gained its name after the church practice in the Middle Ages, when some Catholic popes and bishops — who had taken vows of chastity, and therefore usually had no children of their own — gave their nephews positions of preference such as were often accorded by fathers to sons[1]. Several popes are known to have elevated nephews and other relatives to the cardinalate."

Nepotism is one of the meeting places where a historical practice from Catholicism and the modern denominational/ institutional church world shake hands in practice. Having respect of persons and title seeking are exactly the opposite of what Jesus told His followers in Matthew 20 when the mother of "the sons of Zebedee" lobbied for some special position for her two sons:
"And he said unto her, What wouldest thou? She saith unto him, Command that these my two sons may sit, one on thy right hand, and one on thy left hand, in thy kingdom."

In looking back at our church-world sojourn, we now realize how much the Institutional Church is permeated with nepotism and gives the common folk yet one more reason to examine the lack of difference between the church and the world. And one more reason to leave.

It is common practice, especially in the church world for a family to run a "church" and pass it along to their children like any other family business. We observed this many, many times. Family members and favored persons are put in postions, given titles, and treated in a manner suggesting they have special status.

Many "preacher's kids" are ruined by this practice. They are marked for special and extra attention by reason of their family's role in the oversight of a "church"; many are groomed for the ministry and many become jaded by what they witness behind the scenes of "church" life. It is typical of church members to give special treatment and consideration to the children of church leaders.

Rather than following the scriptural teaching of Jesus in regard to true servanthood, pastors' family becomes "king, queen, prince, and princess" as they serve themselves of the people. This is exactly what the apostate kings of Israel did and indeed they are the scriptural role models for the kingdom of pastor-run churches today. (The majority of "Godly" kings of Israel transferred their kingdom to their children who usually fell away from following the LORD).

In denominational circles with families that have "roots" in the organization, it is common for these families to take on an air of royalty within the group. One may gain access to position and status within denominations when marrying with "name brand" families, and the majority of denominations are filled with this SOP. (standard operating procedure).

Many times a lucrative church (one that has great people and cash-flow) are looked upon and desired as inheritable assets. We saw and heard of many examples of this while we were in the institutional church system and we knew many people that thought nothing of doing things this way. "Their" churches, populated by loving, trusted people, were as much family run enterprises as they were "churches". I could name dozens of "church" organizations that operate this way.

We remember two particular examples where a pastor died or retired and intended to pass the mantle of his office and administration to his son or daughter and son-in-law. But those churches did not cooperate with the pastor's desire to pass along the family-run church and the children felt great rejection and robbed of their inheritance.

Here are a few Nepotistic examples:
1. A pastor's wife is either co-pastor or has a title such as "Pastor Betty".
2. A pastor's son is appointed as a Youth Pastor, Music Director, or similar.
3. The pastor gives postions and titles to family, financial supporters, or other favored folk. Novices, young converts, and naturally gifted people are put in ministerial offices which is directly contrary to the teaching of the Bible. (1Tim 3:6. "NOT a novice")
4. Church finances are closely controlled, guarded, and administrated by the pastor's family.
5. The mangement of the "church" is kept within a family and their children are groomed to take over their church when they are old enough and trained. (This may or may not include Bible College where numerous classes are offered on church financial and business management).
6. When the "senior" pastor retires, his son or son-in-law takes over the "church". Retirement "benefits" are usually part of the package.

The list above are all symptoms of an apostate "church" that has no example for such in the New Testament. No pastor has any God-given authority to name his wife "Pastor" or treat God's people like a family business. Yet when the mask comes off, this is what we find despite the protestations and affirmations of love and loyalty. They will love you only as long as you agree with them.
This is simply the sad truth of what we observed in 24 years of church life and we observed this in our own assemblys, those in the fellowship we were part of, and the system blinded both them and us.

These are the things that breed "respect of persons", create carnal authority, sustain the hated "Nicolaitane error", and corrupt the majority of those that God has called to serve.

The "Eli" ministry of old Israel so aptly illustrates church nepotism. Eli, out of favoritism and his position with God's people, allowed his two sons to take privileges. Like the blind, apostate ministers of our day, blind Eli was acting contrary to God's command and respected his family relationships more than he did the Word of the Lord. (1Sam 2). A 55 minute audio teaching on the Eli-Saul Ministry is 
here: and is well worth the time to listen to.

What we saw and heard over the course of 24 years as we sat in on board and staff meetings, as we listened to conversations of church leaders, and observed in the lives of church leadership is now, frankly, astounding.

As outsiders we look back and recognize that the church world we left:
"For this people`s heart is waxed gross, And their ears are dull of hearing, And their eyes they have closed; Lest haply they should perceive with their eyes, And hear with their ears, And understand with their heart, And should turn again, And I should heal them."

-And as the glory of God departed from the apostate leadership of Israel for departing from God's Word, so history repeats as God's glory and power has, and is departing from Christianity's apostate leadership in our day.

Sunday, February 6, 2011

Why Are So Many Christians Sick, Afflicted, and have Family Troubles?

Can Christians Suffer Chastisement?

The powerful lessons here will not only bring healing to our body in many, many cases, it will also empower YOU to minister Gods Word of healing and repentance to others as you learn of the connection between sin and suffering. It will give great understanding for why we had child problems, sickness, accidents and more.

Before we go into the scriptures, I will present the essence of this study as follows:
When we sin, either willfully or ignorantly, we become subject to God's chastising, aka, "the curse" and God will begin to correct us through various means including chastisement.

When we discover or remember our transgression, we may repent, confess our sin, cast out the demon(s) that is applying the curse, and be healed. Usually, but not always, demons are involved.  We have personally experienced this and all I can say is look at the scriptures and try it for yourself.  Repentance and faith in the Word brings healing.

Why do some children of Christians suffer and even die?
Why do Christians get sick? Why do many Christians die young?
Why do Christians have chronic troubles?

These are questions we have all asked and wondered. What follows is a long blog that gives us many answers to those questions.

I. What is "the curse" of the Lord?

The word"curse is misunderstood and the word punish or chastise may be better understood. However "curse" is used in scripture along with other words and they all agree in one thing, i.e. God is working through them for our good.
We know of a certainty "the curse causless alighteth not" -Prov 26:2.
The New Living Translation renders it:
"Like a fluttering sparrow or a darting swallow,
 an undeserved curse will not land on its intended victim"    

We know that the curse is given in much detail in Deuteronomy chapter 28, verses 15-68. The law was given because of sin. If we abide in Christ, we are not practicing sin, but when we do sin, the Lord will deal with us as children.
There are 53 verses describing the curse in this chapter alone,  and chastising is spoken of all through the scriptures from Genesis to Revelation in many terms, forms, and as experienced by people.
It is called "chastisement" in Hebrews 12, it is called "infirmity", "oppressed by the devil", "sick", "trouble", "weak", "barren", "lack", "poverty", "tormented", and many other words, but it all flows out from the "the curse of the Lord". 

In Deut. 28:59 for instance, it says for disobedience:
"then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance."

2Chron 6:28 If there be in the land famine, if there be pestilence, if there be blasting or mildew, locust or caterpillar; if their enemies besiege them in the land of their cities; whatsoever plague or whatsoever sickness there be...

"plagues"  means : a wound; figuratively carnage, also pestilence: - beaten, blow, plague, slaughter, smote, sore, stripe, stroke.                                                                        
"sickness" means:  malady, anxiety, calamity: - disease, grief, (is) sick (-ness)

The blessings and the curses written in God's Word are of great interest in helping us to understand how God deals with His children and that there is a purpose in everything God does in our life.
It also brings to our understanding that God really means what He said in scripture.

EVERYBODY wants the "blessings" from the the Lord but it seems few have bothered to examine the flip side of the coin. If we studied the effects of the curse we would find that it is quite observable all around us and that the churches are filled with Gods people who are living with the very things God said the curse would manifest:

In Genesis the curse goes over the earth, humanity, animals, and the fallen angels.
There some interesting details.

Genesis 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:  (the curse is upon the animal world and the serpent (inc. satan).

The man:
Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. (the man, who is also called "dust")

The disciples of Jesus knew and understood this when they asked Jesus about a particular man:
And his disciples asked him, saying, Rabbi, who sinned, this man, or his parents, that he should be born blind? Jesus answered, Neither did this man sin, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

Although this man born blind had another created purpose, the disciples knew about the working of the curse. So we see they understood that there was a reason for the curse.
In studying the scriptures, the curse is revealed as troubles such as debt, broken relationships, sickness, death, loss of property, health issues, enemies and people problems, injury, chronic debt, depression, borrowing, loss of children, poverty and lack, mental torment, anguish, lack of peace, problems unceasing, and more.  
-It is the opposite of "the blessings". 

Let us first ask for the reason why God chastens.
If "the curse causless alighteth not", this means there must be a reason for the chastening to come upon someone.

The curse serves the Lord and is sent by Him, in that there is always a reason that the curse comes to us. We are told in many places that it is for our correction, chastisement, learning, and spiritual growth. There are no accidents, God is in control of everything in our lives and the devil cannot touch us except God permits him to.

We know God is "for us", loves us, and desires us to know and love Him. He promised blessings and deliverance from the curse if we serve Him and He promised the curse would come upon those that refuse Him.
He gave this word very plainly in the Old Testament, under the law.

Now, we have a "new" and "BETTER Covenant", yet our covenant still requires faith, repentance, obedience, and love for the Word given in the New Testament.
There are still blessings and the curse at work in our lives and both work in serving God to bring about His purpose and kingdom in our lives. God does not bless us for sinning, rather He promised to "chasten" us.

He also promised to bless us when we live according to what pleases Him and He gave us a New Covenant to instruct us in how to please Him. Infact the New Testament blessings are far greater than the Old, as they are revealed as "the true riches of the kingdom".

God said He created both blessings and the curse.
and He gave the terms and conditions for them.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Joshua 8:34 And afterward he read all the words of the law, the blessings and cursings, according to all that is written in the book of the law.
Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both you and thy seed may live:

Dt. 7:12 And it shall come to pass, because ye hearken to these ordinances, and keep and do them, that The Lord thy God will keep with thee the covenant and the lovingkindness which he sware unto thy fathers:
13 and he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee; he will also bless the fruit of thy body and the fruit of thy ground, thy grain and thy new wine and thine oil, the increase of thy cattle and the young of thy flock, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
14 Thou shalt be blessed above all peoples: there shall not be male or female barren among you, or among your cattle.
15  And The LORD will take away from thee all sickness; and none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, will he put upon thee, but will lay them upon all them that hate thee.

The Curse:
Deuteronomy 28:27 The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.
Deuteronomy 28:35 The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore inflammation that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.
Deuteronomy 28:45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee
Deuteronomy 28:61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

EVERY PLAGUE NOT WRITTEN... is included?  Isn't that what God said?

The curse falls on those who transgress:
Psalms 37:38 But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off.  
(transgressors are those who do not keep their covenant. If we hate others, murmer, despise our brother, don't forgive, we then become transgressors)

If Christians (God's New Testament people) are never under the curse anymore, then why are the very things mentioned in the curse happening in the lives of Christians?

The simple answer is that if God's people never sinned, the curse would never need to operate in their life. It was simple back under the Old Testament law and the precept continued throughought the Bible:

In Proverbs 3:33 The curse of the LORD is in the house of the wicked...
What God calls wicked, and what we think it takes to be wicked are very different.
For instance, pride is not a virtue. Yet many boast of their pride like it is a badge of honor. People take pride in their nationality, race, religion, country, Titles, position, and accomplishments.

 Let's see a few words God said about a thing called pride:
Job 40:12 Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place.
Psalms 10:2 The wicked in his pride persecutes the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined.
Psalms 119:21 You have rebuked the proud that are cursed, which err from thy commandments.
 Proverbs 16:5 Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.
 Isaiah 2:12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low

Before exalting and lifting ourselves up with titles, Doctor, Reverend, Apostle, Bishop, or any other flattering title, we may want to take a slow look at that verse in Isaiah.

Ignoring the needs of the poor brings a curse:
Proverbs 28:27 He that gives to the poor shall not lack: but he that hides his eyes shall have many a curse. 

Giving to a rich man brings a curse:
Proverbs 22:16 He that oppresseth the poor to increase his riches, and he that giveth to the rich, shall surely come to want.

Think about that one before sending that "love gift" or tithe to the wealthy preacher or televangelist.

In Psalms 37:21 The wicked borrows, and pays not again

The prophets spoke of the curse:
Jeremiah 17:5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusts in man, and makes flesh his arm (trusting in the words of men of flesh not God), and whose heart departs from the LORD. (backsliding brings a curse)
Jeremiah 11:3 ... Thus saith the LORD God of Israel; Cursed is the man that obeys not the words of this covenant (do we have a New Covenant God expects us to obey?)

Jeremiah 48:10 Cursed be he that does the work of the LORD *deceitfully
 (*remissness, treachery: -false, guile, idle, slack, slothful)

Those who serve God for impure motives such as gain, ego, status and those who refuse God's correction:

Zechariah 5:3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goes forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that steals shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that swears shall be cut off as on that side according to it
(taking that which does not belong to them and swearing an oath brings a curse)

Not paying our debts brings a curse: and the Lord calls non-payers "wicked".
Prov 3:33 The curse of the LORD is in the house of the wicked: but he blesses the habitation of the just.
Psalms 37:21 The wicked borrows, and pays not again

God is God and He takes credit for everything that happens.
In the First covenant, He said:

Dt 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, And there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal;  And there is none that can deliver out of my hand. 

God takes credit for afflicting His people and saving them when they repent:
2Chron 6: 26 When the heavens are shut up, and there is no rain, because they have sinned against thee; if they pray toward this place, and confess thy name, and turn from their sin, when thou dost afflict them:

How does He "afflict"?:
28 If there be in the land famine, (hunger) if there be pestilence (pests) , if there be blasting (wind damage) or mildew, locust or caterpillar; if their enemies besiege them in the land of their cities; whatsoever plague or whatsoever sickness there be

29 what prayer and supplication shall be made by any man, or by all thy people Israel, who shall know every man his own plague and his own sorrow, ..

Deuteronomy 28:41 You shalt have sons and daughters, but shall not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.

They will be taken captive to the gangs, peer groups, cults, witchcraft, the occult, pornography, sinful "lifestyles", wicked music, and a pop-culture that is contrary to Godliness .  
In early Israel they were taken by the uncircumcised pagan and heathen peoples living around them.
In the New Testament Spiritual Israel, they will be taken captive by the uncircumcised in heart pagan and heathen people all around them.

We see when God's people were captive in Babylon (like the worldly church is spiritually today), there was always a reason WHY God afflicted HIS people. A prophet wrote of this observation in Daniel 9:11

Yes, all Israel has transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey your voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.
Who is "all Israel"? It is all those who have come into the new Covenant through faith in Christ

We know we are not under the laws, ordinances, and commands of the Old Testament, yet we still see how God requires our love and obedience to him in the New Testament, and that there are many instructions and admonitions we are to walk in.

For example:
We are to be filled with His Spirit, we are to worship the Lord, love our neighbor, be baptized, abide in His Word, BELIEVE what Jesus and the apostles said, repent from dead works and repent of sin, believe the gospel, pray, work, give to the poor, show kindness and mercy, "renounce all that ye have", cast out devils, heal the sick, and many such things.

III. Is the "curse" still in effect in the New Testament?

-If it is, we should be able to go to God's Word and see.
Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continues not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

So we see Christians that go back under the OT works of the law are under the curse.

-Others may curse themselves with statements such as "this is killing me" "you make me sick", "I'm sick of..." " "I can't forgive.." ..", "I can't get ahead..."
With the tongue, Christians themselves may speak a curse when they use their tongue to condemn, judge, express the negative report, and even for putting their trust in man.
James 3:9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the likeness of God.

Unforgiveness brings the curse:

Mat. 18:34-35 And his lord was angry, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due to him. So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

What happens when Christians are disobedient children of God?

If you listened to most pastors today, you would think "nothing". Wonderful grace.
God turns His head and our sin and stumbling are overlooked as God winks at us. Christian drunkards, covetous, drug users, fornicators, or the proud all get a free pass because they "accepted Christ", or "went forward".

Let us look at several passages which speak of the curse in terms of God "chastising" His children, and that God speaks to us through various means:

Jeremiah 2:19 Your own wickedness shall correct thee, and your backslidings shall reprove you: know therefore and see that it is an evil thing and bitter, that you have forsaken the LORD thy God, and that my fear is not in thee, says the Lord GOD of hosts.

Psalms 39:11 When you with rebukes do correct man for iniquity, you make his beauty to consume away like a moth:

Psalms 94:10 He that chastiseth the heathen, shall not he correct?

Job 33:14) For God speaks once, yes twice, yet man perceives it not.
15) Then he opens the ears of men, and seals their instruction,
16) That he may withhold man from his purpose, and hide pride from man.
(purpose meaning "activity, deeds").

In verse 19 there is an instruction from God administered through dreams, sickness, pain, and "the curse" in order to get men to "withdraw" from their deeds which God disapproves.

19 He is chastened also with pain upon his bed, And with continual strife in his bones;
21 His flesh is consumed away, that it cannot be seen; And his bones that were not seen stick out.
(this sounds like some real sickness...)

22 Yes, his soul draws near unto the pit (depression) , And his life to the destroyers.
(the destroyers are the demons that carry out the application of the curse)

26 He prays to God, and he is favorable to him, So that he sees his face with joy: And he restores to man his righteousness.  (repentance brings righteous restoration)
27 He sings before men, and says, I have sinned, and perverted that which was right, And it profited me not:
28 He has redeemed my soul from going into the pit, And my life shall behold the light.
29 Lo, all these things does God work, Twice, yea thrice, with a man,

We notice this chapter has both chastisement and grace given unto repentance...
If God "chastens" His people and He is the same yesterday, today, forever, then we see clearly infirmity is of the curse (chastisement).

Is there any "chastening" in the New Testament?
If so, we should be able to find scripture for chastisement.

2Cor 6:9 unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed; The word "chastened" is from G3816; to train up a child, that is, educate, or (by implication) discipline (by punishment): - chasten (-ise), instruct, learn, teach.

Chastening is mentioned again in Hebrews 12:
5 and ye have forgotten the exhortation which reasons with you as with sons,
My son, regard not lightly the chastening of the Lord, Nor faint when you are reproved of him;

6 For whom the Lord loves he chastens, And scourges every son whom he receives.

7 It is for chastening that ye endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father chastens not?

8 But if ye are without chastening, where all have been made partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

Chastening is for our good:

9 Furthermore, we had the fathers of our flesh to chasten us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 

10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed good to them; but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of his holiness.  -Chastening may be for "a few days.."

11 All chastening seems for the present to be not joyous but grievous; yet afterward it yields peaceable fruit unto them that have been exercised thereby, even the fruit of righteousness.

Notice the physical effects of chastening:
12 Wherefore lift up the hands that hang down, and the palsied knees;

13 make straight paths for your feet, so that which is lame be not turned out of the way, but rather be healed.

14 Follow after peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no man shall see the Lord: 15 looking carefully lest there be any man that falls short of the grace of God;
lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby the *many be defiled; *many: largely, mostly, abundant, plenteous, altogether common.

Look around church, you will see them all around you. They are the lame, sick, afflicted, depressed, angry, offended, problem children, hen-pecked, hospitalized, bewildered Christians who fill the churches. And including the great majority of pastors.

Chastening will bring the benefits of salvation when we cooperate with God:

Job 5:
17 Behold, happy is the man whom God corrects: Therefore despise not the chastening of the Almighty. 
18 For he makes sore, and binds up; He wounds, and his hands make whole.

God wounds and makes sore? and when we return to Him, He promises us healing... Have you ever had an "accident"? That was no accident, it was God wounding. "HE MAKES SORE, HE WOUNDS..."

19 He will deliver thee in six troubles; Yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. 
20 In famine he will redeem thee from death; And in war from the power of the sword. 

Hebrews 12:7 If youendure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chastens not?

To "endure chastening" (i.e. correction from the Lord), may very well mean a season of sickness or injury as we stand in faith for the promised deliverance and healing.

This accomplishes several benefits:

1. our faith is tried and grows as a result of "standing".
   a. 1 Thessalonians 3:8 For now we live, if ye stand fast in the Lord.
   b. Ephesians 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

2. When we keep in mind WHY we are being chastened, the lesson is more deeply impressed into our mind and we are less likely to repeat the offense.
As Job said in Job 34:31 Surely it is meet to be said unto God, I have borne chastisement, I will not offend any more.

3. It gives great assurance to know God loves us and that chastening (from the curse) is a sure indication and evidence that He loves you and me.

Those New Testament verses regarding "chastisement" are references from the Old Testament, so we see a continuation in principle of the curse and deliverance from it.

Prov. 3: 7 Be not wise in thine own eyes; Fear the LORD, and depart from evil, 8) It will be health to thy navel, And marrow to thy bones.  (repentence brings the promise of restoration of health.)

Notice the church in Corinth is told why some are sick and others die:

1Cor 11: 29 For he that eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself, if he discern not the body.
30 For this cause **many among you are weak and sickly, and not a few sleep. (die). **many: largely, mostly, abundant, plenteous, altogether common

There was a lack of love and respect in the Corinthian church for other members of the body. -Which is altogether common with todays church respecting clergy over the laity, respect of persons who are naturally gifted, wealthy, and to those with titles and the poor un-respected and even unloved.

Notice also what happened when Paul turned the sinning brother over to satan?

1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. (the man Paul referred to in this verse was indeed brought to repentance and restored through the curse applied by the devil)

Remember what Job 33 said about a mans flesh being sick and given over to destroyers?
21) His flesh is consumed away, that it cannot be seen; And his bones that were not seen stick out.
22 Yea, his soul draws near to the pit (depression) , And his life to the destroyers.

There are many more scriptures that illustrate this; here is one to really think about.

Rev. 2:20 But I (Jesus) have this against thee, that you allow the woman Jezebel (the apostate church), who calls herself a prophetess (prophetess means an inspired speaker); 
and she teaches and seduces my servants (the guys with good intentions) to commit (spiritual) fornication, 
and to eat things sacrificed to idols.
(he eats what the people give through the offering plate. Most pastors have become the idols of the churches and succumbed to the privileges.

23) And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he that searches the reins and hearts: and I will give unto each one of you according to your works.

Col. 3:24--25) Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. But he that does wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

And that statement, "I will kill her children...",

I had never considered until this study and yet God said that to "ALL the CHURCHES".

You mean in the New Testament, Jesus said He would kill her children?
Whether you believe that means children of the harlot church, churches who are the spiritual off-spring of other churches, or the literal children of the people in the churches, or the spiritually immature Christians sitting in many pews, it is a FEAR-OF-GOD statement.

A verse often quoted in part is found in Hosea 4:6

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge,
 I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing you have forgotten the law of thy God,
I will also forget thy children

We see there is death and sickness in many pews from God's people being destroyed (by the "destroyers") because they reject or are ignorant of Gods Word.
And our children are affected by our ignorance as God said in the above verse.
Another reason some Christians die young, an early death being part of the curse:

Jesus said in Matthew 7:19 Every tree (men are likened to trees in the Bible) that brings not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Before we overlook that verse, I can assure you I have known Christian men who are dead from God "hewing" them down, just like He said.
Those men were no longer bringing forth fruit the Father was looking for and you can be assured he had tried to speak to and motivate them through family troubles, sickness, financial setbacks, and other attention-getters from the chastisings.

Dt 32:29 See now that I, even I, am He, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

More scriptures which speak of the curse afflicting and wounding:

Ps 68:21 But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such a one as goeth on still in his trespasses
Psalms 119:67 Before, I was afflicted I went astray: but now have I kept thy word.

A king in Israel was rebuked in 2Chr 21: 13
but have walked in the way of the (apostate) kings of Israel, and made Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem to play the harlot, like as the house of Ahab did, and also slain thy brethren of thy father`s house, who were better than thyself: 
15 and you shall have great sickness by disease of the bowels, until thy bowels fall out by reason of the sickness, day by day.

The chastisement is the operation of the the curse to bring us to repent and back into the blessing of a right relationship. It builds up our faith as we put to death the old (natured) man and produce the fruit of Jesus Christ. It is our Father's will to deliver us from the curse.

God created and sends the curse and yet provided the deliverance from the effects of it when we repent in faith and believe His many, many promises to heal.

The Curse is wreaking havoc in the church, from the pulpit to the pew as God's people are literally destroyed for lack of knowledge. Most of us never stopped to consider why we were afflicted and of the possibility it was because God was displeased with something we were doing or saying that is anti-Christ. We went to the doctor, took an aspirin, or sought relief without asking God to show us our error.

We went to counselors, other people, and doctors for advice. Yet God says:
Job 21:31 Who shall declare his way to his face? and who shall repay him what he hath done?
and in Psalms 64:9 And all men shall fear, and shall declare the work of God; for they shall wisely consider of his doing.

The Bible says our weapon is the Word and our faith in that word. To receive the promises given, we must take charge and use the weapons our Father has given us against evil strong holds in our lives and against the curse.

And God made it easy for us through Jesus Christ to receive the Father's promises. We must repent and believe, and walk with faith in those promises. Our Lord has put forth all the promises in His word, through His Son Jesus Christ. This is how we are delivered from the effects of the curse through Jesus Christ.

Ps. 103:

1 Bless the Lord, O my soul; And all that is within me, bless his holy name.
2 Bless The Lord, O my soul, And forget not all his benefits:
3 Who forgives all thine iniquities; Who heals all thy diseases;

Do we believe this verse? Both parts? One part says He forgives, the other says He heals all...
Repentance and faith delivers from the curse.

"Go and sin no more lest a worse thing come upon you"....-Jesus told the woman.

if my people, who are called by my name, (Christian) shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
Job 33:26 He prays unto God, and he is favorable unto him, So that he sees his face with joy: And he restores to man his righteousness.
29 Lo, all these things doth God work, Twice, and thrice, with a man

Deuteronomy 7:15 And the LORD will take away from you all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which you know, on you; but will lay them on all them that hate you

This is well worth repeating. Many times when you are afflicted, if you simply ask the Lord to show you, confess it, and repent from the sin, you may receive the benefits of Gods healing.

The Lord is giving us a crash course in this truth. We had a lady call us about a back pain and the doctors diagnosis of a spinal condition. I asked her, when the pain began. She replied "last Sunday". I asked her what sin did she commit prior to the back pain, and she replied she had been delivered from smoking by the Lord and had given in to temptation and started smoking again, right before her back hurt her.

We explained to her why the curse had come upon her, and that God was chastising her. She repented and the pain left. Two days later she called again and there was another pain in her neck. We rebuked the demon and it left, along with the pain.

We have also received a number of testimonies like this and have experienced deliverance and healing in our own family as we walk in these precepts.


In Numbers 16 a self-willed man named Korah disagreed with Moses and caused division in the camp of Israel resulting in the death of Korah and his entire family, and those that followed him.

32 and the earth opened its mouth, and swallowed them up, and their households, and all the men that followed Korah, and all their goods.
33 So they, and all that pertained to them, went down alive into Sheol: and the earth closed upon them, and they perished from among the assembly.
2Chron. 21:14 behold, the LORD will smite with a great plague thy people, and thy children, and thy wives, and all thy substance;

Job 5) Suddenly I cursed his habitation.
          5:4 His children are far from safety, and they are crushed in the gate, neither is there any to deliver them.

Job 17:5 He that speaketh flattery to his friends, even the eyes of his children shall fail.
Jeremiah 2:30 In vain have I (God) smitten your children  (they did not repent, i.e., Gods people justified themselves and refused to examine themselves and repent.)
 Jeremiah 15:7 And I will fan them with a fan in the gates of the land; I will bereave them of children, I will destroy my people since they return not from their ways.

The man after God's own heart, King David.
2 Samuel 12:15  And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.
18 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died

1Kings 13: 33 After this thing Jeroboam returned not from his evil way, but made again from among all the people priests of the high places: whosoever would, he consecrated him, that there might be priests of the high places. 
(he put people in leadership who were neither called, anointed, nor qualified. Just like the church does)

34 And this thing became sin unto the house of Jeroboam, even to cut it off, and to destroy it from off the face of the earth.
14:1 At that time Abijah the son of Jeroboam fell sick. (and died)

1 Samuel 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. (Saul and his sons were killed as a result of Saul's sin)

Our son was nearly killed in a fall and what was my sin?  -it was greed, murmuring, not putting God first, pride, and not abiding in Gods Word as Jesus commanded us.
(At that time we were respected elders of our church).

Our children and the curse:
People are afflicted to bring them to Christ,
and children are afflicted to bring their parents to Christ.

Some examples in the New Testament:
The Canaanite woman’s daughter
Mat 15:22-28 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession."
23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us."
27"Yes, Lord," she said, "but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table."
28 Then Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

A son with seizures
Mat 17:14-18 When they came to the crowd, a man approached Jesus and knelt before him.
15 "Lord, have mercy on my son," he said. "He has seizures and is suffering greatly. He often falls into the fire or into the water.
16 I brought him to your disciples, but they could not heal him."
18 Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy, and he was healed from that moment.

Can the curse alight on the children of Christians?

Sin began with Adam and Eve, and the nature of sin was passed on to their children.
Satan became their spiritual father. Again, let us look at examples in scripture:

Under the Law, there was no mercy. Achan was a man who willfully disobeyed God under the OT Law. Achan's sin of coveting caused the death of his entire family. -His "house".
In Joshua 7:
24 And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the mantle, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had..
25 And Joshua said, Why hast thou troubled us? Jehovah shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones; and they burned them with fire, and stoned them with stones.

How easy is it for us to "impart" the curse to our family?

We do so through our words and actions as our children receive our words and actions. Cuss words, anger, complaining, hating others, unforgiveness, gossip, evil speaking against anyone, superstitions, false traditions like Santa Claus are examples of what Christian parents impart to their children.
So we see in many examples in both the old and new testaments, that a parents sin may bring "the curse" upon our children. If we persist in holding on to sin, God may at some point allow the curse to touch our children. We have seen examples from scripture where the children were smitten with sickness because of the stubbornness and sin of their parents.

In another case, we received a request to pray for a man's sick son. The boy had suffered for about 7-8 years and was now around 12 years old. We discerned their had been a cause for the curse of autism in the boy, so I asked him "what happened 7-8 years ago?"
He immediately replied that at that time their had been a serious problem in his marriage and his wife had said she had forgiven him, but in reality, she still had a grudge. -Her lack of forgiveness opened a spiritual and the curse alighted on the child. When I pointed this out, the man agreed and knew it was the truth.
We have seen other similar examples as we are much more aware and observant of the operation of the curse in Christians.
 In fact, once you recognize "the curse", you will see it in the lives of people all around you, especially in the lives of Chrsitians which is what Paul said to the Corinthians. "for this cause MANY are weak and sickly among you (the curse) and some sleep" (die).

Here is another revelation. In Deut. 28: part of the curse is given: 41
Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but they shall not be thine; for they shall go into captivity.

When I was reading this, the Lord showed me Israel's children were taken captive by the "uncircumcised" pagan people from the ungodly nations around them.
How might this apply to Spiritual Israel, the Christians?
It happened as we watched our children fall away from God and be taken captive by the uncircumcised in heart:  the world.
The gangs, the kids that follow after drugs, sex, rock and roll. The the stars of rock music. The stars of TV, movies and sports.  The ungodly people of this world who follow and do the deeds of their father, the devil.

We have strong incentive to be holy and walk carefully in the scriptures.

V. How to attract "the curse".
If we are never under the curse anymore, then why are the very things mentioned in the curse happening in the lives of Christians?

We know many Christians will say "I AM NOT UNDER THE CURSE in the NEW TESTAMENT!  and quote Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Here are some areas where many Christians stumble and the curse alights.  If you study your Bible carefully, you will others, and the more we knowledge of how to please God that we have, the less reason the curse has to alight.

Hidden unforgiveness:
Matt 6:14 For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
          :15 But if you forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Matthew 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him
                  :35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses
  Who are the tormentors? they are demons that apply the curse. That is why Jesus healed so many by casting out the demons and then speaking healing which is one of the primary callings for Christians to be doing when they are obeying the gospel and doing what Jesus told us to do.
Mark 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
              :26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
If we don't have forgiveness, what WILL happen?
So could the curse alight upon us? "Tormentors? Chastisement? "The Destroyer(s)"? Weakness and sickness? Death?

Murmuring and complaining?
Would you believe God killed many Israelites for complaining?

Phil. 2:14 Do all things without murmurings and questionings:
15 that ye may become blameless and harmless, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation

Numbers 14: 27 How long shall I bear with this evil congregation, that murmur against me? I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel, which they murmur against me.
And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.

"Thou shalt not murmer nor complain" was not written in the Law, yet God was not pleased when HIS people complained and and failed to believe Him for provision. Those folks complained about the water, the food, and did not appreciate the fact they were no longer slaves in Egypt. They wanted to go back to their old ways and worldly security rather than walking in faith. God called this "an evil heart of unbelief".
"Oh, that was back under the law", some respond.

Then let's see what  Paul wrote to the church:
1Cor 10:10) Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11) Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Why would Paul say those murmurers were destroyed as an example for us if He did not mean what He said? Would God loose the destroyers on Christians for murmuring?

What happened when Paul turned the sinning brother over to satan?
1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
In James 5:murmur not one against another, brethren, lest ye be judged: behold, the judge stands before the door.
Isaiah 26:9 ... for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.  (judgments sent for correction)

Unbelief is sin:
Proverbs 19:29 Judgments are prepared for scorners, and stripes for the back of fools.
 Ezekiel 20:16  Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, but polluted my sabbaths: for their heart went after their idols.
 Hebrews 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

How do Christians "despise" the judgments of the Lord?
They do so when they refuse to believe God will punish our sin. Israel did this when they refused to believe the prophets God sent to them and they refused to believe God would send calamity.

Oaths, Pledges, and Swearing
Another less known, but overlooked teaching is the matter of making oaths, pledges, and swearing a pledge.  Consider:

1. James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.

There goes the church building pledge and fundraisers, the pledge of allegiance, oath of office? jury duty? political office, military, law enforcement?
 Pledges and oaths to Lodges, Clubs, Boy Scouts Girl Scouts, Knights of Columbus, Elks Lodge,  Masons, and many churches for "membership", etc?

Who will you obey, the Word of the Lord, or society and men?

2.  Matthew 5:34 (Jesus) But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne

Because these matters are not taught in the church, for the most part, is it any wonder the curse has a place to alight? -And that it behooves us to study Gods Word carefully to learn how to please Him?
Swearing an oath is doing the exact opposite of what Jesus taught.

Ignoring Gods Word brings a curse:
Deut 28: 15 “But if you ignore the LORD your God and are not careful to keep all his commandments and statutes I am giving you today, then all these curses will come upon you in full force:

If you ignore? How many times in my life have we done that?
Do you think God knows how to get our attention after a while?

The tormentors and destroyers.

We saw in many verses both from the Old and New Testament that the "tormentors" and "destroyers" are sent to administer the curse, chastisement, sickness, death, mental torment like depression, and everything written in "the curse".
Mark 1:23 And there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out,
Mark 1:32 And at even, when the sun did set, they brought unto him all that were sick, and them that were possessed with demons

Mark 1:34 And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him.
Mark 1:39 And he preached in their synagogues throughout all Galilee, and cast out devils.
Luke 8:2 and certain women who had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities: Mary that was called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out,
Mark 6:13 And they cast out many demons, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them.   demons cast out associated with healing.  (the disciples) as "they went out, and preached that men should repent.)"

Mark 1:32 And at even, when the sun did set, they brought unto him all that were sick, and them that were possessed with demons
Mark 9: 17 And one of the multitude answered him, Teacher, I brought unto thee my son, who hath a dumb spirit;
18 and wherever it takes him, it dashes him down: and he foams, and grinds his teeth, and he pines away (to pine away as loss of flesh. shrivel, wither.)
Matthew 9:32 And as they went forth, behold, there was brought to him a dumb man possessed with a demon.  physical affliction caused by a demon

Mat. 12:28  Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
Matthew 17:18 And Jesus rebuked him; and the demon went out of him: and the boy was cured from that hour.
Luke 9:38 And behold, a man from the multitude cried, saying, Teacher, I beseech thee to look upon my son; for he is mine only child: 39 and behold, a spirit takes him, and he suddenly crieth out; and it tears him that he foams, and it hardly departs from him, bruising him sorely.

Revelation 18:2 And he cried with a mighty voice, saying, Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, and is become a habitation of demons, and a hold of every unclean spirit, and a hold of every unclean and hateful bird.  (great sickness and oppression in apostate Christianity)

Luke 6:18 And they that were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed.
Luke 8:36 They also which saw it told them by what means he that was possessed of the devils was healed.
Luke 9:42 And as he was yet a coming, the devil threw him down, and tare him. And Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit, and healed the child
Luke 13:11   And, behold, there was a woman which had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bowed together, and could in no wise lift up herself.
Mark 7:25 But straightway a woman, whose little daughter had an unclean spirit, having heard of him, came and fell down at his feet. 30
And she went away unto her house, and found the child laid upon the bed, and the demon gone out.

When we find and search for the reason, i.e. the cause, for the curse to operate in our lives, then we have the sure Word of the promise from God, that when we repent, Christ delivered us from the effects of the curse.
As ministers of God, we are messengers of the Covenant, and are to bring healing and reconcilliation to the sick, afflicted, and the lost. (Mark 16:9-20, Matthew 28:19, Acts 1:8-10)

VII.   Deliverances from the curse (restoration and healing)

2 Chronicles 7:14
 If my people, which are called by my name, Christians) shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

-As man was made from the dust of the earth, our "land" involves conquering our sinful nature, a battle we will fight to our last breath.
The flesh is our ground, our land, our ways, our world. This requires us walking in the light, not the darkness. Ignorance of God does not help us, save us, or restore us. Walking in the light will help us, heal us, save us.

Walking in the light involves knowing, believing, and doing what Jesus said:
"They Word, is a lamp unto my feet". "I am the light of the world.
John 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light,
Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth,
Luke 11:35 Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness.

Matthew 7:24 Every one therefore that hears these words of mine, and does them, shall be likened unto a wise man, who built his house upon the rock:
:25 and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and if fell not: for it was founded upon the rock.

The more we walk in faith and in obedience to our New Testament covenant, the more and more are we delivered from the curse. There are also some tremendous promises for our children in getting them redeemed from the curse of being taken captive by the world.

Ps 89: My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.
If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.
Isaiah 54:13 And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.  -deliverance from the curse is by faith in what God says about them.
Dt. 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thy heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.." (saved is "sozo")

Now there are some wonderful and amazing verses to stand upon in faith for our children! -and GOD has the power to bring them to pass as we put our faith in what He said.

Our hope of "salvation", "the Greek word is *sozo", is when we repent and turn to the L ord, TRUSTING Him with all of our heart, mind, soul, and strength.
The promises is that He HEALS, saves, delivers, preserves and makes whole
(that is what "sozo" the Greek word for salvation/ saved/ healed is).

Mat. 7:24 Every one therefore that hears these words of mine, and does them, shall be likened unto a wise man, who built his house upon the rock:
25 and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and if fell not: for it was founded upon the rock. I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before thee life and death, the blessing and the curse: therefore choose life, that you may live, thou and thy seed;

When we have received  requests for healing and other problems, we now typically ask "What is your sin?
-or when did the "trouble" begin, and what happened prior to the trouble or infirmity?
We ask the Lord to reveal it to them, and sometimes we will ask if there is unforgiveness or complaining, which is common to "many" Christians as Paul wrote.

Usually if there is pain, a demon is involved.  Cancer is demonic, and many physical conditions in the flesh are from demons. The Lord gave us authority over them, and gave us many examples of casting out a demon and healing going together.

We have seen this work in ourselves and in others. Repent and confess sin, then receive the promise of healing "for by His stripes you were healed".

There is much more to this subject and we are studying diligently in order to be more effective ministers of the commission that Christ gave His people.
We recognize when we have not knowledge, we are not yet accountable and that we have a blood covering for our transgressions. We also know that Jesus did give one example of a man who was blind from birth so that the "glory of God" might be revealed.

Notes on "enduring" and not "despising" the chastening of the Lord.
1. Enduring. to remain to tarry behind to remain i.e. abide, not recede or flee to preserve: under misfortunes and trials to hold fast to one's faith in Christ to endure, bear bravely and calmly: ill treatments endure...
translated as: with patience, endured 5, endures 3, patiently endure 1, perseveres1, persevering 1, remained 1

This means the chastening may have an extended duration, which, if we understand WHY we or our children are suffering the chastising, is how the LESSON God wants us to learn is strongly impressed upon us. This is even AFTER we have repented and received forgiveness, just as king David did in the affair with Bathsheba, and David continued to reap the chastisement along with Gods forgiveness.
...And we also gain a fresh respect and fear of the Lord!
Hebrews 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons

2. "despise": Hebrews 12:5 ... despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him : to have little regard for, that is, to disesteem: - despise.

How did the Israelites "despise" God's chastening? It was when those stubborn, self-willed OT Jews refused to believe God would bring judgement on them for disobedience. -Just like the Christians that do not believe God would afflict their children or themselves.

It is clearly stated here in Jeremiah 23:17,  They (the apostates of Israel) say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you. The false teachers of Jeremiahs day were just like the modern church hirelings that give comfort and lies to Gods' people in the pews.

"God wouldn't do that!", they say so often. But God said don't listen to them!
"Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.

How much do you want to be saved? -enough to be thankful for when He corrects and chastises? Why be resentful? -once we realize why we are made to suffer we can turn and repent. "HAPPY is the man whom God corrects".  Gladly do we accept correction and judgement in this life rather than have our sin follow us into the next one.
In Christ, there is no more curse. To the degree that we or anyone abides in the Son, the curse cannot alight.  Praise the Lord.

VII. Let's go look again at some amazing revelation on why Christians often suffer from the curse.

Remember, Proverbs 26:2 (NLT) 2 Like a fluttering sparrow or a darting swallow, an undeserved curse will not land on its intended victim.

We also know Proverbs 3:33 The curse of the Lord is in the house of the wicked;
Wicked in the New Testament is referred to as: (NAS) Word Usage - evil 3x, malice 5x, trouble 1x, wickedness 2x.

Now, just read the context of the passages where "wickedness" is used:
Col. 3: 8 But now you also, put them all aside : anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech from your mouth.
Titus 3:3 For we also once were foolish ourselves, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another.
Eph 4 31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.
Rom. 1:29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil ; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice ; they are gossips

 Proverbs 3:33 The curse of the Lord is in the house of the wicked.

"The curse":   we now have better understanding of what the curse is.
:is in"             A postive declaration that leaves no doubt.
"the HOUSE":   the house is the person who is the temple that Christ dwells in, and all that pertains to them.
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be sved, AND THY HOUSE"

..."of the wicked" Once we understand what God says is "wicked", even in the New Testament as the verses above touch on, then we understand that "the curse" will operate in the household of Christians who transgress.

Now let's learn from Zechariah 5:3.
 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it. apply

4) I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.

 Daniel 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by  departing, that they might not obey thy voice; *therefore the curse is  poured upon us*, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the
servant of God, because we have sinned against him. (the curse is written in the Law)

In the New Testament, those that "falsely swear by my name" are those that call themselves "Christian" but do not do what Christ said.
God says "give". Men say "tithe".
God says "do not swear an oath", man say "I pledge allegiance..."
God said He hates the Nicolaitane error. Men say "It's them, not us".
God says "If you hate your brother you are a murderer". Men say "I just don't like them".
God says "repent and believe the gospel". Men say "ask Jesus into your heart".
God says "do not lay up for yourselves treasures...", Men say "store up gold, guns, and food".
God says "do not call yourselves Masters...".  Men say call me "Bishop, Doctor, Apostle, Pastor... etc."

The actions of people that say they are Christian, but neither speak Gods Word nor walk in His footsteps sadly fit the majority of "the many" that Christ warned about in the "last days".  If you think that is harsh, look around at the curse running rampant through the churches. many of the very specific elements found in "the curse" are found in the houses of Christians. -both as individual and corporately.

The ignorance of the typical Christian church is destroying them for the lack of knowledge.
And here is why so many Christians are weak, sick, and some die as Paul said:
Isa. 4:1
And in that day seven women             (the 7 representive churches in Revelation ch 2,3)
shall take hold of one man,               (calling on Jesus)
saying, We will eat our own bread,     ( we will follow our own faith & doctrine)
and wear our own apparel:                 (substituting their own works such as tithing)
only let us be called by thy name,      (Christian in name but not disciples)
to take away our reproach.               (they want sins forgiven but do not obey the covenant)

Genesis 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:  (a hidden prophecy of satans work to afflict fallen man)

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art  (to Adam and his seed)

Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion  shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's  meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith
the LORD. Man is the dust. The fleshly man. The carnal man. So we find that  satan the serpent will devour the carnal man. -not the Spiritual man in Christ.

In Christ, we are free from the curse.
In Christ, there is no more curse. To the degree that we or anyone  abides in the Son, the curse cannot alight.  Praise the Lord.

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son

Our Judgement
I cannot think of a more fear-of-God inducing subject than God's judgement. Everyone hopes to escape and the apsotate church teaches mis-guided doctrines like "oh you just get judged for rewards". But that is only a half truth: 2Cor. 5:
10 )For we must all be made manifest before the judgment-seat of Christ; that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11) Knowing therefore the fear of the Lord, we persuade men, but we are made manifest unto God; and I hope that we are made manifest also in your consciences.

I do not believe that refers to salvation, but there is certainly an accounting. And this consistent with:
Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Matthew 18:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
Romans 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Can there be a day of judgement before the "Great Day of Judgement"?  I am persuaded that there can be.
How can we receive judgement in this life before THAT day? As we have written in previous sections, God DOES send "judgments" upon us only they are mostly referred to as "chastisements".

Hebrews 2:1-3 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
For if the word spoken by angels was steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompense of reward;
How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

Now that right there is Gods' Word and He really means it. The problem with the church is that very few actually connect events and conditions in their body and life to what God says in His Word. We never did and were were never taught these matters by our leaders. If we had realized that "every transgression" received just recomence, we would have lived much differently especially whene it came to some of the things we mentioned earlier.

2 Chronicles 7:14
 If my people,(Christians) which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
-As man was made from the dust of the earth, our land has to do with conquering our sinful nature. The flesh is our ground, our land, our ways, our world.

Where the curse is there is sin.
Where the Curse is, there is correction.
Where the curse is, there a humbling.
Where the curse is, there is testing.
Where the curse is, there may be a waiting revelation of the glory of God.

In another section, we will discuss "The sufferrings of Christ" that we are made partakers of, and how that is different from the curse.  God willing, we will see the importance of the relationship between the Law and the curse of the law, which are unseparable..
Malachi 2:2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.

What are our blessings? -There are some serious implications there. For instance, "children are the blessing of the Lord. Provision, even abundance is His blessing. Food, a job, our health all qualify as his blessings.

If Christians (God's New Testament people) are never under the curse anymore, then why are the very things mentioned in the curse happening in the lives of Christians?