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Friday, July 6, 2012

Where Did Hell Go?





Where Did Hell Go?





Some say it does not exist, is only a parable, or an allegory for a punishment in this life. 
A few years ago a good friend picked up the "no hell" precept and he would talk about nothing else trying to convince me.
-I did not argue and told him, "until I study God's Word for myself with prayer, I will not argue. I am neutral and do not have an opinion." We both read the Bible and yes, I was familiar with the words in it regarding hell. He said the translations were not correct. OK. The Bible says to "PROVE ALL THINGS", so that works on both sides of the question.
-plus I was busy with life, family, and other matters.

Time passed and a
 month or two later, the Lord told me to study His Word and He would show what His truth is. I did not go to scholars, church history, or someone else's ideas, I just read the Bible and looked up various words in the original languages and I also made not of words that pertained to the subject that were overlooked by my friend and his sources.
It was truly amazing and as weeks went by, the Lord pointed out more and more including things I never heard or thought of that were in His word and pertained to the afterlife. The Lord was my Teacher.

So I compiled many verses pertaining to the subject, judgement, and punishment and I know 100% from Him, the truth.
These "no hell" boys work hard to make it go away but they will see someday the whole counsel of God when they quit listening to each other.

This therefore, is a sobering compilation of scripture and is by no means complete as much more is given in the Old Testament.
There are many words used in scripture regarding the after-life. Heaven is a real place and is where the Lord wills all would end up.

But He also created a place called "hell', and it is found as the abode of the spiritually lost dead, ultimately to be cast into the lake of fire along with all of the devil and his messengers.
-this happens after the physical body dies, decays, is buried, or is destroyed physically.

This is what the scriptures say with few comments by me, and some of the Greek terms regarding other words such as "the pit", "perdition", "eternal", "forever", "abyss" and "destruction".
Romans 10:7
 
“‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).


"FOREVER":
Forever: G165 αἰών aiōn ahee-ohn'
From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), n-]ever, without end).

The devil and the lost:
Rev. 20: 10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire.
This is the second death, the lake of fire. 
15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 2:11 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.’

Revelation 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, >> the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:8 But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

Jude 1:13 wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever. 

"Forever" is used for and with God, Jesus, glory, live, blessed, kingdom, and the lake of fire.

The apostle Paul warned:
Acts 24:25 
And as he (Paul)  reasoned of righteousness, and self-control, and the judgment to come
There are many scriptures speaking of the "judgment to come":
1Thess 1:8   rendering vengeance to them that know not God, and to them that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus: 9 who shall suffer punishment, even eternal destruction from the face of the Lord ..

Paul to Timothy:
2tim 2:24  And the Lord's servant must not strive, but be gentle towards all, apt to teach, forbearing, 
25 in meekness correcting them that oppose themselves; if peradventure God may give them repentance to the knowledge of the truth, 26   and they may recover themselves from the snare of the devil,
       having been taken captive by him to his will.
                           <Where does the devil go? -and his captives?
 ===>  
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived  them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone,
 where are  also the beast and the false prophet .
(the "beast" and false prophet are corporate bodies of many people, not single individuals)

Paul to Thessalonians:
2Thes/1:8  rendering vengeance (retribution) to them that know not God, and to them that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus: :9  who shall suffer punishment, [even] *eternal destruction from the face of the Lord
     
"ETERNAL DESTRUCTION":
eternal:
      From G165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well):
eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).
destruction:    ruin, that is, death, punishment: - destruction.

1Tim 6:9
But they that are minded to be rich fall into a temptation and a snare and many foolish and hurtful lusts, such as drown men in destruction and *perdition.  
*From ollumi : to destroy; a prolonged form); ruin, that is, death, punishment: - destruction.
G684  ἀπώλεια apōleia 

ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal): - damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste.

1Cor. 3:16
Know ye not that ye are a temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwells in you?
17  If any man destroys the temple of God, him shall God destroy;

1Cor. 11:32
 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world.
G2632 κατακρίνω katakrinō kat-ak-ree'-no  From G2596 and G2919;
to judge against, that is, sentence: - condemn, damn.

Spiritual death is not the cessation of the soul.  
2Cor: 1:
2:15  For we are a sweet savor of Christ to God, in them that are saved,
and (not) in
them that perish; 

(16 to the one a savor from death to death;  to the other a savor from life to life.
<...that is the 1st and a 2nd death friends..> 
rev.20:14 And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death
, [even] the lake of fire.

2cor. 4:3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled in them that *perish:
G622 apollumiap- From G575 and the base of G3639;   to destroy fully, *to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively:
- destroy, die, lose, mar, perish. 
From a primary word (to destroy; a prolonged form); ruin, that is, death, punishment: - destruction.

Dan. 12:  And many of them that sleep <the dead> in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame,  and everlasting contempt.
”everlasting”
 the vanishing point; eternity; always:  continuance, eternal,  lasting, long (time), perpetual, at any time, without end)

“everlasting contempt”? But if they ceased to exist, they are not in an everlasting place.

Rev. 20:13  And the sea gave up the dead that were in it; and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them:    ( if they ceased to exist in death,, how can that happen? Their spirit lives while the physical body is dead) 

14  
And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death, 
       [even] the lake of fire. 15   And if any was not found written in the book of life,
       he was cast into the lake of fire
.
?-if they do not exist after death, how are they cast into the lake of fire, which is deep beneath the earth.

Eph. 1:1 And you [did he make alive,] when ye were dead through your trespasses and sins,
4:8   Wherefore he saith, When he ascended on high, he led captivity captive, 

   :9  (Now this, He ascended, what is it but that he also descended into the lower parts of the earth.

=>  5:6 Let no man deceive you with empty words:
for because of these  comes the wrath of God upon the sons of disobedience.
7  Be not ye therefore partakers with them;

< John 3:36  He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” ("abides" is a continuing action>

Job 20:26 …. A fire not blown by man shall devour him
Matthew 25:30   cast ye out the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness: 
there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth. 

Note Ezekiel 31;  "pit", "deep" "sheol" earth beneath":
For they have all been given over to death, to the earth beneath, among the sons of men, with those who go down to the pit.” 
 15 ‘Thus says the Lord God, “On the day when it went down to Sheol (is not the grave)
I caused lamentations; I closed the deep over it and held back its rivers. 

16 I made the nations quake at the sound of its fall when I made it go down to Sheol with those who go down to the pit; and all the well-watered trees of Eden, the choicest and best of Lebanon, were comforted in the earth beneath. (this is where Christ went to bring out those held captive by death) 

17 They also went down with it to Sheol to those who were slain by the sword..
18 “To which among the trees of Eden are you thus equal in glory and greatness?
Yet you will be brought down with the trees of Eden to the earth beneath

THE “PIT”
Does it have fire, smoke, and who is said to go there? A man named 
Korah did.
Numbers 16:28-30
And Moses said, “Hereby ye shall know that the Lord has sent me to do all these works...
29 If these men die the common death of all men, or if they be visited according to the visitation of all men, then the Lord has not sent me.
30 But if the Lord make a new thing,
🎯 and the earth open her mouth and swallow them up with all that appertain unto them,
and they go down alive into the pit,
then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the Lord.”
31 And it came to pass, as he had made an end of speaking all these words, that the ground cleaved asunder that was under them;
32 and the earth opened her mouth and swallowed them up, and their houses and all the men who appertained unto Korah, and all their goods.
33 They and all that appertained to them 👉 went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them; and they perished from among the congregation.

Revelation 17:8  The beast that you saw was, and is not;
       and shall ascend out of the *bottomless pit, and go  into *perdition:
       and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder,
whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world..

*the “BOTTOMLES PIT” is defined as “infernal abyss”. 
* “Perdition” is defined:  ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal): - damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, perish,  waste.
“‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). -Rom 10:7

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment  ascends up for ever and ever:
and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image,
and whosoever receives the mark of his name
. 

"by reason of the smoke of the pit."
“ he opened the bottomless pit;
and there arose a smoke out of the pit<==>==>And the smoke of their torment <== ascends up for ever and ever”

“When I shall bring thee down *with them that descend into the pit*,
 with the people of old time,
and shall set thee in  the low parts of the earth lest,
I become like them that go down into the pit.

Psalms 28:1 Unto thee will I cry, O LORD my rock; be not silent to me: lest, if thou be silent to me, ===> lest I become like them that go down into the pit.<=== is not the grave.


Psalm 140:10 “May burning coals fall upon them; May they be cast into the fire, Into deep pits from which they cannot rise. ("deep" is not the grave)

===> Ezekiel 26:20 When I shall bring thee down *with them that descend into the pit*, with the people of old time, and shall set thee in ===> the low parts of the earth, in places desolate of old, with them that go down to the pit... 

Daniel 7:11 Then I kept looking because of the sound of the boastful words which the horn was speaking; I kept looking until the beast was slain, and its body was destroyed and given to the burning fire.  (the "beast" is a body of people)

Mat. 15:13  But he answered and said, Every plant which my heavenly Father planted not, shall be rooted up.  14  Let them alone: they are blind guides.
And if the blind guide the blind, both shall fall into a pit.

Proverbs 1:12
 Let us swallow them up alive as Sheol, And whole, as those that go down into the pit;
===>  *with them that descend into the pit*<===

Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened ===> by reason of the smoke of the pit.<==

Ezekiel 28:8
They shall bring thee down to the pit;
and thou shalt die the death of them that are slain, in the heart of the seas.

Isaiah 38:17
Behold, it was for my peace that I had great bitterness: But thou hast in love to my soul delivered it
 from the pit of corruption

Job 33:28  He has redeemed my soul from going into the pit, And my life shall behold the light.
Souls do not go to the grave. A soul is not a physical body.

Job 33:30  To bring back his soul from the pit, That he may be enlightened with the light of the living.... -A soul is not a physical body.

The beast does not cease, the pit does not cease, the smoke of their torment does not cease, the devil goes there and does not cease to exist in torment,  and the devil does not even have an earthly body.

(of satan) Isaiah 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Ps   9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell.....
Ps 49:13  This their way is their folly: Yet after them men approve their sayings. Selah
           14 They are appointed as a flock for Sheol;  Death shall be their shepherd;
< death and hell are cast into a lake of fire. A lake is a body of water that fills a “pit”. >

Proverbs 9:18 But he knows not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell.
-does the “depths of hell”  sound like a deep place?

Isaiah 5:14    Therefore hell has enlarged herself,
Isaiah 14:15  Yet thou shalt be brought down to Sheol, to the uttermost parts of the pit.
Isaiah 24:22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison; and after many days shall they be visited.

2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not angels when they sinned, but cast them down to hell,
and committed them to chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
9 the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptation, and to keep
the unrighteous under punishment unto the day of judgment.
-angels are spirit  beings and do not have physical bodies.

Revelation 9:1   And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star from heaven fallen unto the earth: and there was given to him the key of the pit of the abyss.

Ezekiel 31:16   I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to Sheol with them that descend into the pit"
"… the unrighteous under punishment until     the day of judgment…"

Jesus taught:
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. 

Mat. 23:33  "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

John 3:36  He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” 

Matt 25:30  And cast ye out the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness: there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth.. 
(how does a cessation of existence continue to weep and wail and gnash teeth?)

=> Jude: 13 Wild waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the blackness of darkness has been reserved forever.

Mark 9:43
And if thy hand cause thee to stumble, cut it off: it is good for thee to enter into life maimed, rather than having thy two hands to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire.
44 where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched.
45  And if thy foot cause thee to stumble, cut it off: it is good for thee to enter into life lamet,
 rather than having thy two feet to be cast into hell.
46  where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched.
47 And if thine eye cause thee to stumble, cast it out: it is good for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell;
48 where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched.

Luke 16:
22 ...and the <"certain"> rich man also died, and was buried.
23    And in Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24    And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue;
        for I am in anguish in this flame. 28 for I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

........ "this PLACE" ??? oh right, the one that does not exist...??
“the unrighteous under punishment unto the day of judgment”

Many deniers  also believe death is a state of "sleep" or non-conscious existence until resurrection but Jesus refuted that again in Luke 23 when he told the repentant thief:

 (42: And he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into your Kingdom.”
 (43 
 And Jesus  said unto him, “Verily I say unto thee, today shall you be with Me in Paradise.”


John 15:6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.

Heb. 6:6 it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. 7 For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; 
8 but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.

The Tares Explained
Mat. 13: 36 Then He left the crowds and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him and said, “ ***Explain to us the parable of the tares*** of the field.” 

 *** NOT A PARABLE***:
37 And He said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, (Jesus)
38 and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one; 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the [u]end of the age; and the reapers are angels.
40 So ***just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire***

==> >> so shall it be at the end of the age.
41 The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,
42 ===>  and will throw them into the furnace of fire;
in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 

Mat. 23:33 Ye serpents, ye offspring of vipers, how shall ye escape the judgment of hell?
Mat. 24: 50   the lord of that servant shall come in a day when he expects not, and in an hour when he knows not,
51 and shall cut him asunder, and appoint his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth.  
If they are burned up or simply dead in a grave, how are they gnashing teeth and wailing?

AGAIN:
49 So shall it be in the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the righteous,
50  and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth.
51 Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea.
Mat. 25:46
And these shall go away into eternal punishment: but the righteous into eternal life.

"OUTER DARKNESS"
 (Jesus spoke of thee times). Here is one of them.

Matthew 25:30
And cast the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

Jude: 7
  Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, having in like manner with these given themselves over to fornication and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire.

Mat. 3: 10  And even now the axe lieth at the root of the trees: every tree therefore that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
“the unrighteous under punishment unto the day of judgment”
11   I indeed baptize you in water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit and [in] fire:
12  whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly cleanse his threshing-floor; and he will gather his wheat into the garner, but the chaff he will burn up with unquenchable fire.

DAY OF WRATH:
Revelation 14:10
he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

Romans 2:8
 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness,
wrath and indignation.
Ephesians 2:3
 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath,
Phil.
2:28 and in nothing affrighted by the adversaries: which is for them an evident token of perdition, but of your salvation, and that from God;
“the unrighteous under punishment unto the day of judgment“

Perdition: G684 ἀπώλεια apōleia   ap-o'-li-aFrom a presumed derivative of G622;
ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal): - damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste. 

"apolia" is a root for the demon destroyer from the pit: Apollyon
3:10 that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow,   in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
3:11 if by any means I may attain unto the resurrection from the dead.
18 For many walk, [that they are] the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 whose end is perdition, (apolia) whose god is the belly, and [whose] glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.

But the Spirit saith expressly, that in later times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons..............
 
  “The SUM of thy Word is truth"
For annihilationism or reconciliation doctrines to be true, it must reconcile with scripture "line upon line, line upon line". Instead the "no hell" oposes scripture that tells us death is the final judgment, and the ultimate place of death is in a lake of fire that burns forever and ever, in a "pit", 'abyss", "lower parts of the earth".

==> Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell......
Rev 14:11 
==> And the smoke of their torment ascends up ===> for ever and ever:
  and they have no rest day nor night <===, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receives the mark of his name.
-not  they cease to exist for ever,
-not the smoke ceases from forever.
-not: they cease to exist and have no rest.
-not:  they shall be purified and saved, or as saved as wandering stars.



 SUMMARY:

If death and hell give up "the dead" how can the dead exist if they were annihilated?
Why are they resurrected BODILY? -only to be re-destroyed?
Why be judged according to their works and then all cease to exist?
Why are the "dead" raised, judged, only to be cast into the lake of fire and cease to exist?
Why are they cast into the lake of fire if they are given a second purification and saved?
Why does the smoke of their "torment" go up forever and ever if they ceased to exist or get saved?
Why is there punishment BEFORE final judgment?
Are you sure you can take away the "forever torment" from the Book of the prophecy?

Rev. 22:18
I testify to every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book,
if any man shall add to them, God shall add to him the plagues which are written in this book:
19  and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy,
God shall take away his part from the tree of life,
and out of the holy city, which are written in this book


There is an interesting testimony by numerous people who have been show hell.  Several of them testified of body parts being torn off and the horror of it, but then the body part would grow out again, only to repeat again and again.
These testimonies, if true, would explain the "everlasting destruction's"  and how the lost person is destroyed forever. 
2 Thessalonians 1:9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord  
Matthew 25:46  “Then they will go away to eternal punishment


Please DO NOT PLAY WITH THE FIRE OF UNBELIEF


Saturday, October 22, 2011

A Working of Error (updates)







A STRONG DELUSION

Are you being led by a working of error? There is a cottage industry of fear-spreading and sensationalism and almost none of this is from the Lord.

  • What happened to all the Comet Elenin alignment dates and doomsayers?
  • The polar shift did not materialize when Comet Elenin zoomed by nor did the solar flares, earthquakes, and tsunamis materialize as expected by the doomsayers....
  • The Gulf of Mexico did not explode nor did they nuke the well to close it.
  • Hoover Dam was not blown up by terrorists on 11-11-11



Consider these failed prophesies, predictions and dates:

  • The New Madrid fault did not split the United States apart on May 14, 2011,
    as one group of dream-driven believers believed and anticipated.
  • Washington DC was not nuked 9-9-10 as a radio prophet positively predicted.
  • a number of dreams about the BP oil well blowing up last year failed.
  • FEMA did not declare Martial Law and round up Gulf residents into camps in 2010.
  • The”man child” was not “anointed” either of two dates in Sept. or October 4-14 2011, or "definitely before the end of 2011".  
  • The tribulation did not begin in 2005 or as speculated every year after. (eventually it will)
  • Judgment Day did not arrive May 21st, or on Oct. 21, 2011 as thousands were convinced.
  • 6-5-2005 a minister-teacher said "President Bush will have a third term and be assassinated..." on his radio program
  • President Bush did not declare Martial Law and extend his time in office, nor was he violently taken out. (2008)
  • Hillary Clinton was not elected president. (2008)
  • The earthquake dates in 2011 ALL FAILED..., and nobody predicted the ones that happened!
  • Aug. 30, 2011 : the upper New Madrid did not create the "abyss" in Tennessee leaving an "ark-shaped" piece of land for a refuge in which the faithful could move in and occupy the abandoned properties of the local residents that would flee, as speculated by an internet radio ministry with “confirming” dreams..
  • Pittsburgh Pa, 1-19-2012 Thus says Yahweh, “January 19 is a day that will live in infamy. I will send fire from the heavens upon Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Destruction is decreed from the beltway to the parkway. These three will be in the earth: fire, blood and brimstone. It will come from Me.
In Matthew 24:4 Jesus warned, “Take heed that no man lead you astray.”
Is the pattern of failed dreams and revelations a "working of error" that indeed leads astray??
One minister calls these dreams “God’s tongue”
Does “God’s tongue” give false dates time and time again?

Ministries compile hundreds of disaster predictions, dreams, YouTube videos, government reports, secular sources, and information from unreliable sources on a regular basis.

Let’s put this “working of error” in perspective.
   In 2010-2011 there have been  a number of tremendous earthquakes.
Chile, New Zealand, Japan, and Haiti for examples.
NONE of the DREAMERS or WATCHMEN MINISTRIES SAW  ANY OF THEM COMING!


Weighed and found wanting

Most of the people promoting and circulating this error never repent for missing so many doom-dates.
How many failed dreams-disasters-prognostications will it take to open our eyes?  
.....“take heed that no man lead you astray” that Jesus said ???


These ministries and leaders continue to "bewitch" God's people as Paul wrote in Galatians 3:1.You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified?


- when Agabus prophesied in Acts 11:28 concerning a famine, no date was given.
-  In the Revelation, John was given many prophecies, but not one single date.
- the date for the prophesied birth of Jesus was not given, though the event was prophesied.
- Jesus also prophesied of the destruction of Jerusalem.
  
Interestingly, Jerusalem would fall to the Romans on the exact same date as it did 600 years before, but no date was given! (Jerusalem fell twice on the 9th of Av)

What does that say for the ministries that put forth dates, dreams and disasters as compared to the disciples of Jesus that NEVER did?

Paul often warned of the seductive bondage of legalism using words like "subvert your souls" "bewitched", and "troubled you with words". The amazing delusion is the be-witchers are themselves deceived in turn deceiving others.
The followers are brought into bondage through focusing on dates/ dreams/ and disasters.
These are promoted through unclean spirits of fear and divination and see what the angel told the disciples in Acts 1:7:
   And he said unto them, It is not for you to know times or seasons,
   which the Father hath set within His own authority.

Now I know we can say that context spoke of Israel, but let us point out the word “times” is plural
and the reality-check that not once in the New Covenant are calendars or dates given.

God’s warnings

Has the Lord given us a standard in His Word to discern the working of error?
It’s seems so...

And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits and unto the wizards that chirp and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? on behalf of the living should they seek unto the dead? (Isaiah 8:19)

And the spirit of Egypt shall fail in the midst of it;  (Egypt is the world and its report)
and I will destroy  the counsel thereof:  and they shall seek unto the idols,
and to the charmers, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards. ( Isa 19:3)

counsel -advice; counsel, purpose.
IDOLS  (H457)  good for nothing, vanity; specifically an idol: no value, (as with all the failed dates and disasters) “no value”...
charmers (H328)   perhaps meaning to move softly; from their soft incantations: -gently, secret, softly.
wizards  (H3049) a knowing one;   specifically a conjurer; (by implication) a ghost: - wizard.

“Wizards“, wise” or “knowing” people. 
 They can be people that are trying to “divine” God through knowledge, news and reports. 
 They can claim special insight or understanding in a way to promote their voice or ministry.

A “conjurer ”: one that may cause dreams to be dreamed or other means of obtaining knowledge by seeking to divine the Will or voice of God through dreams.  

“Let not ….. and your diviners, deceive you; neither listen to your dreams which you cause to be dreamed. For they prophesy falsely unto you in my name: I have not sent them.” (Jer 29:8-9)  

Yes, God speaks through dreams, at His Will. But God’s people were never told to seek after dreams. The visible signs Jesus told us to look for would seem to be plainly observed and seen without special computer software, dreams or government telescopes.  



2Thes 2:11 indicates a “strong delusion" is also rendered "a working of error"
          And for this cause God sent them a working of error, they should believe a lie.

a STRONG DELUSION: Strongs 1753/ 4106
  • "Strong":    an operation of energetic strong effectual working.
  • “Delusion": a wandering, a straying about  one led astray from the right way, error,   
     wrong opinion relative to morals or religion
  • error which shows itself in action, a wrong mode of acting
  • error, that which leads into error, deceit or fraud

…. ‎That they should *BELIEVE* a LIE...

BELIEVE: (Strongs #4100)
  • to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in, intellectual faith…

LIE:  Strongs #5579 PSEUDOS (pseudo)
  • conscious and intentional falsehood, whatever is not what it seems to be , of perverse, impious, deceitful precepts

Jesus' #1 sign was a warning to us about those leading astray


Mat. 24
When the disciples of Jesus asked Him about the “
sign” of His return, the FIRST SIGN Jesus gave them was:
“
take heed no man lead you astray.   Many shall come in my name, saying, I am the Christ; and shall lead many astray.  And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars; see that ye be not troubled...


-the first “sign” was of people that “confess Christ” would come and lead many astray!
Do you think a pattern of failed dates, dreams and predictions qualifies?
Do followers of these false words and signs become addicted to fear and being “troubled”?



Now consider the failed dreams, dates and disaster warnings.
Does the scripture indicate a "working of error" or were these warnings God’s truth?

Do you still want to pass along more of the “pseudo” dreams, dates and predictions to people you work with, your relatives or your neighbors offering them “proof” of a Youtube video, some-body's website,  or what you heard on a radio program?  

Some of us did, and we lost a lot of credibility when the events never materialized!!

The Seduction of Knowledge

Knowledge is the same door that drew Eve away from the Lord...
And there are others:
"Desire to know the future" or "fascination with doom" or "desire to KNOW special knowledge and end-time events." Not to mention fear, paranoia, self preservation, and a “refuge mentality.” Not exactly the fruit of faith!

Many of God’s people have been caught up in “the latest news, speculations, and rumors, at the price of truly hearing the Lord and following His Spirit.

These fear-inducing stories, rumors and reports influence people to do things they would not normally do. Some have sold homes and business in order to relocate to a "safe” zone. Others have depleted retirement accounts. Others have ostracized and alienated family and friends who are not on board with the warnings of imminent doom. 


A defensive mentality often emerges as people consume and submit to dreams, diviners and wizards claiming to interpret and speak in the Name of the Lord. The signs of a cult may become evident as they become dependent upon the words and interpretations of their leader (idol) which they need to defend, even when they are wrong.

What goes hand-in-hand with the date-disaster deception is the spirit of idolatry that comes over us when we follow the date setter ministries..
We know there is idolatry when we defend, justify, or ignore their error.


Do you actually think a ministry putting forth failed dates speaks for God?
Do you still think a ministry putting forth failed dates speaks for God?
or will you believe "Take heed that no man lead you astray", which is where the fear, dates, and paranoia will take us.


Does a “little leaven” leaven the whole lump?

Are you ready to turn from the dreams, visions and ear tickling predictions that never happen?
Are you at least  willing to rethink and pray about the unending stream of hypothesized disasters, NASA  reports, government “cover-ups” and conspiracy postulating YouTube videos and the  “WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF…” scenarios pushing you into a constant state of unrest?

Will you seek the Lord in these matters with an attitude of renouncing all idolatry and every voice of men and asking the Lord to tell you what you need to know.
It is as simple as asking Him something like, “Lord Jesus, will there be a pole-shift on 11-11-11?”  or whatever date the false prophet is giving?


The amazing thing is when we specifically asked the Lord about a predicted quake, Comet Elenin  or tsunamis, we heard nothing. -and nothing happened!
That’s the point-  we need to hear God for ourselves, test the spirits and test the fruit.
We must turn from relying on “
ministries” which generate fear, paranoia and desire for self preservation in the name of Christ, but in reality draw us away from Him.
Delivered and cleansed


I confess my own guilt concerning the error described thus far. My wife and I postponed educational and business decisions because this “working of error” skewed our outlook and hope for the future. It affected our children and created a negative, fatalistic view of life that affected our family goals and long range planning.

Are we saying the men and women spreading these rumors are evil folks or intentionally deceiving? ---> No. ←-
However, ANYONE CAN BE DECEIVED!
Our heart is deceptively wicked. Unrepentant idolatry will result in GOD sending "a working of error."

The Lord, by His grace, has granted us repentance and deliverance from the error that had us bound. We can now rest in His promises concerning end time events:

Because you have made the LORD, who is my refuge
No evil shall befall you, Nor shall any plague come near your dwelling;


Luke 21:8 J.B. Phillips New Testament
8-9 “Be careful that you are not deceived,” he
replied. There will be many coming in my name, saying ‘I am
he’ and ‘The time is very near now.’
Never follow men like that......

.....
Luke 21:8 (NIV)
 8 He replied: “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and,

‘The time is near.’
Do not follow them.
Luke 21:8 (ASV)
 8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not led
astray: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am he; and, The time is at hand:
go ye not after them.
And in the Numeric ASV:

and He said see you be not led astray,
for many shall come in my name saying "I am He";
and "the season is near", GO NOT AFTER THEM.
These are deceivers and antichrist.