Thoughts on The man of God

Thoughts on The man of God

What does a man of God look like? 

Is he a someone who declares himself to be sent from God and sports a Title, degree, and an ordination certificate? Is he a leader that declares himself to be God's anointed? Is he on TV, radio, or behind a pulpit?  Is he famous, rich, well known, popular, wears a backwards collar or priest's shirt? Is he a man of God because dozens, hundreds, even thousands follow his ministry?

What a man of God looks like is not what people think. Very few will recognize him. Most are all too familiar with imitation.

What ever ministerial gift a man or woman claims, we will attempt to give a profile of what the genuine man of God is and does. He will be the anointed of God in a restored and resurrected ministry that looks like the one in Acts. God will do this in our midst, but the majority will not recognize him-as history repeats.

He is dead. Not physically, but he died or is dying to self. He knows self is a hindrance to Christ.
Mat 10:39   He that finds his life shall lose it; and he that loses his life for my sake shall find it.
Mat 16:25   For whoever would save his life shall lose it: and whosoever shall lose his life for my sake shall find it.

He loves God and seeks to put God first, exalting Jesus.
He loves people, including his enemies and those that speak against him when he seeks to do good for them.
He speaks *evil of no man. (*slander, malice, to hurt)

He sees little value in the latest movie, sports, worldly music or politics.
He's in the world not of it.  John 17:16
He does not take pleasure in worldly matters other than being responsible and law abiding.

He prays. Often, and in private.
His prayers are effective.
He is not afraid of demons and has cast them out.
He is mature in the faith and believes what God says.
He prays for people and many receive healing. 

His words bring life, not traditions.

He seeks FOR God's sheep, not FROM them.
He does not self promote his name, face, or ministry. He is dead to that.
He builds God's kingdom, not his own.
He does not look to God's people for money or praise. John 5:41 I receive not glory from men.

He does not want people's money or to be honored by them. Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for in the same manner did their fathers to the false prophets.

He does not care about buildings. He builds up people.
He points people to the Jesus of Scripture, not the jesus of his tradition, denomination, "doctrinal statement", "creed", or even what he thinks.
He does not "justify himself" or make excuses when he is wrong.

He does not have a "church manual", "bylaws", rules, or membership list.

He seeks to make people followers and disciples of Jesus, not himself.
He will answer and reason, but not argue.

He seeks to be a "doer of the Word" and not a talker about the Word.
His loyalty is to God, not a country, political party, nor a denomination.
He does not seek fame, a crowd of followers, or popularity.
He seeks and desires "holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord." -and not false external holiness

He speaks the truth. He speaks scripture a LOT. -with wisdom and understanding from God, not man.
God's Word flows out of him, "if any speak, let him speak as an oracle of God"
God confirms his words. So do Scriptural signs and wonders,"these signs shall follow them that believe..."
He speaks the truth in love.
He reproves, rebukes, and exhorts with all long-suffering and doctrine.

He studies God's Word diligently and can "rightly divide" the Word of truth. 2Timothty 2:15 He repents when God shows him his error.

He does not justify the wicked.
He won't tell a person lost in sin that they are saved.
He recognizes the Spirit of God in others.

He does not exchange his ministry for a paycheck, perks, or special privileges. God provides for him.
He knows how to live by faith and never begs.
He goes to God for his needs, not the church.
He knows God will supply his every need. Phil 4:19
He receives freely, he gives freely. Mat. 10:8
He gives in private where God sees, not in public where men see. Mat. 6:4
He loves God, not mammon. Mat. 6:24
He remembers the poor. Gal. 2:10

He does not have extravagant "fundraisers".

He has humility, not pride. Self is decreasing.
He humbles himself to the Word, even when it hurts.
He does not defend himself, he defends God's sheep.
He has suffered and suffers rejection.
He is disliked by the establishment religious leadership.

He forgives them that reject him, dishonor him, and despise him.
He still loves them.

He is meek, not flashy.
He is sober, not trite.
He never tells a risque joke.
He does not crave attention or feed on the attention of a crowd.
He is dead or on the path of dying to self.

He does not use gimmicks, manipulation, or flaunt his authority.
He speaks with God's authority because he speaks God's Words.

He knows what it is and hates the deeds and error of the Nicolaitanes and he has overcome them.

He is the head of his home in word and deed, and provides for them.
His neighbors, co-workers, and relatives know he is a Christian.
He has testified to all of them.

He knows personally who and what Jezebel is, and who and what Balaam is, and he has overcome their ministries in the church.

He resists the devil. James 4:7
He appears weak, but he is strong. 2Cor 12:10 Wherefore I take pleasure in weaknesses, in injuries, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
He overcomes temptation consistently. He is dead.

He speaks grace and gives grace, he speaks of sin and cannot stay silent in the face of it.
He comes in the nature, character, and authority of Jesus. The Name above every name, not his own.
He is not impressed by the rich, famous, or powerful whether they call themselves Christian or not.

He is a servant, not a king or a hireling. 
He and his family are not royalty.
He does what Jesus said a disciple would do. Mark 16:16-20
He has renounced ownership of 100% not just 10%. Luke 14:33.

He is not in competition with other ministries, nor does he compare himself to them.
He follows God's Word, not somebody's book, ministry organizational Statement, or program for growth.
Drink waters out of thine own cistern, And running waters out of thine own well.
Those who know the Lord will love him.
Those who love their religion will loathe him.

He may be an apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor or teacher, but he won't have a business card or certificate to prove it. God will prove him. He may be someone who quietly goes about the work of the ministry, he is not a showman. Period. 

If a man is sent from God, he will do and say what God said.

rory moore

Easter Lays An Egg

It is the CHURCH That Needs a Resurrection One of the reasons we left our church was the pagan aspects of a"Christian" holiday encased in the trappings of pagan fertility rites and sun worship.  We actually have no scripture to observe the annual fulfillment of the Passover or carry on the paganized version of the event.  We do not have a Hebrew calendar nor were we told to have one in the New Testament.  Someday the Lord will fix our paganized calendar, but until then, many of us will simply do as Paul wrote to the church: "One man esteems one day above another: another esteems every day alike". For us, the quote from Christ "It is finished." means no more bunnies, eggs, sunrise services, easter baskets, chocolate eggs, egg-hunts, or "Happy Easter" greetings. (“Easter” is the Romanized form of the Babylonian pagan goddess “Ishtar”). Furthermore, we do not observe a "Good Friday" crucifixtion followed by THREE DAYS and THREE NIGHTS in the earth, only to come out of the grave 1.5 days later on Sunday. Have you ever thought of that? Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. -hmm, that is what Jesus said.  Have you ever counted the days?  From Friday 3pm +24, 'till Saturday 3pm = 1 day. + to Sunday  3pm= 2 days, + to Monday 3pm = 3days.   If He went into the grave around 6 or 7 the 3 days creep toward Tuesday morn. So we do a little 3rd grade math and find the three days that began late on Friday now puts the women at the empty tomb early on Tuesday! -whoops.    If Jesus was crucified Friday and a day was 24 hours like it has been for a long time, then for Jesus to be in the earth "3 days and 3 nights", either He resurrected on Monday night late, early Tuesday,  or the church has it way wrong again. But maybe He was crucified on WEDNESDAY. Then He can resurrect by the first day of the week, which is our Sunday, like the Bible says in Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week. A risen Christ? YES! A correct calendar date for it? Maybe. What the scripture says about it? ABSOLUTELY! But the bunnies, eggs, sunrise worship, and "FUN" practices that have been passed down from Babel? -NOT! Isn't it odd there is no mention in the Book of Acts or the epistles of Christians observing a holiday called "Easter"? Oh yes, for a time the Jewish disciples observed Passover but that observance was not mentioned as a practice for the gentile Christians to observe.  The Jewish observance of the Passover bore zero resemblance to the pagans around them who worshipped Ishtar, Queen of Heaven, and her son, Tammuz, the resurrected false son of God.   Hot "T" Buns anyone?  |The "t" stands for "Tammuz"  Ezekiel 8:14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of Jehovah's house which was toward the north; and behold, there sat the women weeping forTammuz. Yes, right there in front of God's Temple, a celebration for Mr. T. I am not trying to debate or change anyone's observance one way or the other, but by the time we walked out of church, we were fed up with the worldliness of our holidays and the lack of real evidence in the church around us of the resurrection.  Today it is the church around us that needs resurrection more than the observance of the historical commemoration-celebration of what Christ did 2,000 years ago. Be assured, the holiday called "Easter" you grew up with is not the one we read of in scripture.   And finally, this link has a rundown of where "Easter" actually came from, right down to the "cross my heart" with a "T" for Tammuz from good 'ol Babylon.. Now, about that "sun rise" service: ezek. 8: 5 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? thou shalt again see yet greater abominations than these. 16 And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord’s house; and behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they were worshipping the sun toward the east. 17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have turned again to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose. "Now we go to the tomb on the first day of the week, the resurrection morning the women came at early dawn but Jesus had already risen.  No mention of the women facing to the east and paying homage to the Sun as it rose in the eastern sky, no mention of bringing colored eggs, no rabbits were brought to sacrifice to the goddess of fertility.   Of course, the women coming to the tomb of Jesus had nothing to do with the present day celebration of Easter or Easter Sunrise Service.  The reason was that as a festive celebration to observe the resurrection of Christ, the event was unknown!  Those who are afraid of the truth should read no further!  For the truth is that Easter is pagan!" For more info: Easter  Where the Easter "stuff" came from... The Harlot Church and the connection to sun worship  Joseph Herrin Apostles of the Sun  understanding where the pagans and the church became one.

Nephilum, Giants, Fallen Angels, and Truth (updated, revised)

revised and updated version
this is an abbreviated version for a forth-coming book with even more proofs and why
"we simply cannot make scripture say what it does not say"
-rory moore

This is the condensed version of my book on the same subject.

I wrote an article or two from what I saw written in scripture, and also engaged in numerous debates and discussions, eventually becoming convinced what appeared to be the majority view was not what I read in scripture.

I also noticed a pattern.  The angels/ sons of God/ aliens/ nephilim and some of the UFO crowd all spoke the same thing, made the same assumptions, added the same ideas and often made the scriptures say what they do not say in order to paint a picture of imagination-fired plausibility connecting human genealogy to “extra-terrestrials” or half-human hybrids.

 I want to repeat this phrase for emphasis: 

“they often made the scriptures say what they do not say”. 

And that my friends, is where a “strong delusion” sets in no matter what the subject is about. To refresh our thoughts, here is the passage:

Genesis 6,

1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of earth ground, and daughters were born to them,

 2 the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and took them wives of all that they chose.

3   And The LORD said, My spirit shall not strive with man forever, for that he also is flesh:  yet shall his days be a hundred and twenty years.
4 The *Nephilim were in the earth in those days,  and also after that, when the sons of God came unto the daughters of men,  and they bare children to them: the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.

          (*  H5307; properly, a feller,  a bully or tyrant: - giant.)
5   The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth

Let’s use the "sword of the Spirit" to see if we can prove the truth of a commonly accepted doctrine.   This doctrine leads either to or away from the path of scripture into regions of thinking that have us chasing pre-Adamic creation, alien invasions, Adam having two wives, and all sorts of fanciful, unprofitable “learning”.

There are two critical points I would like to test:
1. Does scripture say angels married human wives <daughters of men> ?
2. Does scripture define “sons of God” as angels or men? 

The trouble usually  begins with that phrase in Genesis 6:4, “sons of God”.

WHO are those  “sons of God”? Were they angels or were they men?

Let’s test this:

1. Jesus spoke of men who cannot marry in the resurrection:
  Matthew. 22:29  Jesus said to them, You err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

  30) For in the resurrection they <i.e. men> neither marry, nor are given in marriage,
but are as angels in heaven.

-Men who achieve the resurrection do not marry, have sexual union, or make babies, because they “are as angels in heaven”.

- But is there written anywhere that angels in heaven married other angels or humans?

- And are angels ever directly named “sons of God”?

Again,  Jesus spoke of angels and sons of God in Luke 20

   34)  and Jesus said to them, The sons of this world marry, and are given in marriage:

   35)   but they that are accounted worthy to attain to that world,  and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
   36)   for neither can they die any more: as they are *equal to the angels;
            and are sons of God,  being sons of the resurrection.

*equal to the angels”: G2465 ἰσάγγελος is aggelos “ like an angel, that is, angelic:
- equal to the angels.”

NOTICE: 👉 Jesus said men are sons of God because they were sons of God by the resurrection.
But are *any* angels ever called "sons of God by the resurrection"?
The honest answer is NO.

From what Jesus said above, the Old Testament saints who died in faith, are “equal to angels”,  and who are  "not given in marriage”, as “angels in heaven” are likewise not married,  and they are called  “sons of God” by Jesus, before His resurrection!

Point: In this “sons of God” passage, angels were not included as sons of God by the resurrection even though men are, and men would be as “equal to the angels”. (equal means "like" or as)

In Genesis 6:2 after men multiplied, it says: that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose.

But no angels are ever spoken of as married to human wives, and the genealogy's in the Bible bear witness to an absence of angelic paternity. 

Read Jesus' words above very carefully.

Sons of God Error correction #2:

In the Hebrew text, “angels”  are not even mentioned specifically until first mention Genesis 16:7

“And the angel of The LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness”. 

Let’s look at the Hebrew word for “angel”.
  It is “malak”.  (def.: messenger, representative, angel,  the theophanic angel)

Let’s look at the Hebrew word for “sons”.
   It is  “ben” or “bane”.

(son, grandson,  member of a group  son, male child, grandson ,  children (pl. - male and female)  youth, young men (pl.)young (of animals)  sons (as characterization, i.e. sons of injustice [for un- righteous men]or sons of God [for angels]  people (of a nation) (pl.)  of lifeless things, i.e. sparks, stars, arrows)

Yet Jesus said angels do not marry, which was only stated as the union of man and women.

Could these “sons of God” be angels because “ben” has a minor inclusion “sons of God for angels” in the definition?

In scripture, 4,842 times “ben” was used in the Old Testament, but ZERO times translated as “angels” in the ASV, and 0 for 4,906 in the KJV.

Without adding “angels” into any text, not one verse expressly, directly, or specifically speaks of “angels” as sons of God, but it does say that of men.

Therefore the Hebrew language testifies against “sons of God” as  angels.

Next we find in Job the phrase “sons of God” used.

Job 1:6  Now it came to pass on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves

              before the LORD, that Satan also came among them.

      2:1  again it came to pass on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves

              before the Lord, that Satan came also among them to present himself before.

    38:7  when the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

 -Again there is no specific identification that "sons ("ben") of God" were angels (malak).

-“morning stars” can be shown as a metaphor for saints of God and children of Abraham, but I prefer not to insert any metaphor or assumption into the text here.

Now for New Testament "the sons of God" references:

Luke 20:34    Jesus said unto them, The sons of this world marry, and are given in marriage:

Luke 20:36    for neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels;
 and ARE sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

Now that passage could end the debate, but there are more “sons of God” identified explicitly, directly, and are expressly designated:

Galatians 3:26  For you are all sons of God, through faith, in Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 1:5   having fore-ordained us unto adoption as sons through Jesus Christ...

1Jn 3:2  beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it does not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be LIKE him; for we shall see him as he is.

What we see and do not see in the above scriptures:

-Are any angels, fallen or otherwise directly, specifically  called “sons of God?"   -NO!

-Are the men, “they that are accounted worthy”  called “sons of God”   -YES!

-Are Old Testament saints who were “they of faith”, and “sons of Abraham”,  also “sons of the resurrection” and “accounted worthy” ?      -YES!

Are the same “sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus” called  “sons of God”? -YES!

Did Abraham have faith and look for Jesus? -YES!

Jesus proved it and said “Abraham saw my day and rejoiced”. John 8:56

Now we have two witnesses in Jesus Christ and Witness Paul in agreement telling us who the “sons of God” really are. 

If that were not enough, we see "angels" (aggelos) used 176 times in the New Testament and not one single time are they referred to as "sons" or "sons of God"!

("Aggelos", Gr, #32, "angel(s), messenger(s).

Drilling down:
If that were not enough, "angel(s) are mentioned 74 times in the book of Revelation. 
None are "sons of God" in any context..
"sons of God" as a phrase is used SIX times in the New Testament. Six is the number of man.

Angelic Sons of God Error Corrected, reason number 3:

In scripture, the Word instructs us that a teaching and truth are built “line upon line, line upon line”.

Furthermore, scripture tells us that “in the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established”.

The premise that fallen-angels-sons-of-God, were able to make babies in marriage with human women have the following number of verses to additionally witness that theory:

---0--- In all the so and so begat so and so, it is always attributed to humans with the exception of Jesus Christ who was begotten by the Father.

Therefore it is correct, there are no verses in either the Old or New Testaments pointing to women making babies with fallen angels.  

But by way of supposition and assumption ("interpolation", i.e. that is making scripture say what it does not say), is the idea believed.

Jesus did not refer to any “return of the nephilum” as an end time warning about the “days of Noah”.
He DID refer  to signs to watch out for in Matthew 24 and Luke 21, but neither Jesus or Paul wrote of nephilum when warning of “the last days” or end times.

What are the "signs" both Jesus and Paul most warned about?  
-specifically it is "deceivers" "false teachers" "seducing spirits" and "demon doctrines".

Amazing however, there IS a place where Jesus said the devil himself could father children.

Jesus told the Jews and pharisees in  John 8:44 You are of your father the devil,  and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and stands not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.

Do you imagine the fallen arch angel Lucifer-devil have sexual relations with the mothers of the pharisees?

Jesus clearly said they were of their father, the devil.

Question:
 HOW did the devil “father” the pharisees?
-did the devil have sexual relations with Israelite women and how could the devil father human children?

Do you think the devil could have physical sex to impregnate women, make giants, and procreate “nephillum”, that he would have stayed very busy making as many as possible all through history?
-of course we know that is preposterous.
Let's try to discern just how a devil spirit being could be a father of humans.

Here is what Jesus said about "good seed" and "tares" who are of bad seed.
Matthew 13:38 and the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom;
and the tares are the sons of the evil one

How did tares become "SONS of the evil one"?

Are we are supposed to accept that a one-night stand back there in Genesis 6 by sexy fallen angels, that for some odd reason never again happened in scripture, nor was spoken of as such, nor warned about, is  somehow fit for Christian doctrinal consumption?

No friends, scripture is not of private interpretation.

It is error to isolate one passage and imply a doctrinal precept built around one verse, with no corroborating scripture testimony, and we are building our case for the truth.

Sons Of God Error Corrected Reason 4:

God created “seed” and set into motion a law that said seed would reproduce “after like kind”.

An apple seed brings forth an apple tree. A cows “seed” brings forth cattle-calves.

Angels cannot reproduce with humans.
Angels are not credited with creating life.
Angels ARE called “ministering spirits”, and “a spirit has not flesh and bone” as Jesus said, even though angels have appeared in flesh all through scripture.
1Corinthians 1539 says there IS a body of flesh that is different from earthly flesh.
There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

Point:  we cannot prove angels have bones, blood, or the internal capacity for sexual reproduction, any or all of which are needed to affirm the theory of angels marrying human women and making babies who became giants.

Seed reproduces kind, and the only seed a seducing spirit can sow is spiritual seed via words, i.e. “doctrines of demons” which are errors and lies.

That was the method of the devil by which deceived Eve in the garden, a demon doctrine deceived her and it was spiritual words that she believed.
A lie is a spiritual seed. By it, humanity was contaminated by a sin nature.

"kind" reproduces like kind. 

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind, cattle,  and creeping things, and beasts of the earth after their kind: and it was so.

25  And God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that crept upon the ground after its kind: ...

The phrase "after their kind" created and set order in creation.

There are ZERO scriptures stating that angels (also called spirits) can reproduce flesh.
That which is begotten of the flesh is flesh, that which is of the Spirit is spirit". –John 3:6

WARNINGS:

1Tim 1:3)  As I exhorted thee to tarry at Ephesus, when I was going into Macedonia,  that you might charge certain men not to teach a different doctrine, 4)   neither to give heed to fables and endless genealogies,  which minister questionings....

-You might think the angels are sons of God marrying human women doctrine was in Paul’s mind when he wrote that passage about “endless genealogies” and “which minister questionings” which is so illustrated by the arguments on this subject.

"Fables"  is “muthos”, which is a tale, that is, fiction, (myth).

There are warnings about giving heed to “seducing spirits” and doctrines of demons.

“Seducing spirits” are not about sex with human women, it is their “doctrines” that spiritually impregnate the “sons of God”.

And that is why Jesus told them they were of their father the devil.

Today,  myth and fable are mainstream, and sell well.

But what about the Book of....?
Extra-Biblical books are referenced in scripture itself and many books are written that will take us into other realms based on a Biblical word or phrase.
Yet we are forbidden to establish doctrine apart from scripture, and without additional witness in scripture itself.  I will return to the "What about....?" below.

Sons Of God Error Corrected Reason 5:

Definitively there are simply no scriptures in the New Testament, say anything remotely close to the fallen angels making babies with humans” error, and it is not stated in the references to the angels in Jude and in 2peter 2.

-Are fallen angels ever called “sons of God” in the New Testament?   NO!

-Does the New Testament even mention angels and sonship?   YES!

- ‎"For to which of the angels said He at any time,  You are my Son,  this day have I begotten thee? -Heb 1:5
Can we say *BOOM* ? 
 👉We cannot find anywhere God said to any angel He had "begotten" them and called an angel "son".

Those holding the fallen angels are “sons of God” in Genesis 6 and Job, find themselves directly contradicting God saying to which of his angels at any time did He say “thou art My son”!

Angels are expressly called "spirits".

Heb. 1:13   But of which of the angels has he said at any time, Sit thou on my right hand,

                    Till I make thine enemies the footstool of thy feet?

          14)    Are they not all ministering spirits.

Since angels are spirit-beings:
 Can a fallen angel produce human or angelic sperm in order to impregnate a human woman?

Not according to the law of "after their kind", and not according to Jesus:

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

"flesh":  The flesh, denotes human nature and the physical substance of human kind.

"spirit": A spirit, i.e. a simple essence, devoid of all or at least all grosser matter,  and possessed of the power of knowing, desiring, deciding, and acting.

A spirit can inhabit a body (as satan entered into Judas), a spirit can appear as a man, but never is a spirit credited with a capability to reproduce human seed or hybrids.

The ONLY seed an evil fallen angel can sow is a lie.

Just because angels materialized into human form and ate food does not mean mean they had every human capability including reproduction. 

The scripture does not state the attribute that  angels can  make human “seed”, and cross breed, as seed begets "kind" after its’ own "kind".

Matthew 13:38 and the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom;  and the tares are the sons of the evil one”.  That's right, sons of the "evil one" are "tares" because they receive the "seed" of the devil, i.e. lies.

Were "sons of Belial" angels or human?

Some examples of this phrasing is here:
1 Samuel 2:12  Now the sons of Eli were sons of Belial; they knew not the LORD.

1 Samuel 10:27 But the children of Belial said, How shall this man save us?

Deuteronomy 13:13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods…

Judges 19:22
Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, ..and spoke to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.

We ask, if sons of God are fallen angels, and both men and fallen angels are of their father the devil
 then what made both "kind" sons of the devil
 -was it physical procreation or was it spiritual by following a lie and rebellion?
The answer is obvious.

Sons Of God Error Corrected Reason 6:

Warning, fables-fables-fables. "What about the book of..."

Jesus rebuked the Jews "You do err, not knowing the scriptures".
Jesus said in the very passage where He spoke concerning angels, men, and sons of God.

Some folks believe the Book of Enoch is scripture.
However if the Book of Enoch is not verifiable God inspiried scripture, it is not to be included as a witness to a doctrine. -Jesus did not refer to it or quote from it.

In his prophetic writings, Paul did not quote from it.
Jude did write " (v14)  And to these also Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, Behold, the Lord came with ten thousands of his holy ones.

Did you note that the mention of Enoch’s prophesy is not prefaced “it is written…”?
The prophecy is true because it is given by the Holy Spirit and is written in Jude as a witness, but nowhere do we have confirmation from anyone that “The Book of Enoch” is scripture and it would be witnessed somewhere in scripture if it were.

Quoting a prophesy from Enoch is no different as other words are quoted from many other prophets
The "Book of Enoch" and the writings of Enoch are nowhere validated as scripture, by the scripture.

Contrast that thought.
Isaiah is quoted in the New Testament.
Daniel is quoted in the New Testament.
Moses is quoted in the New Testament.
Other prophets are quoted, and often framed with "as it is written".

Others like Enoch also prophesied likewise:

" And there was also a man that prophesied in the name of Jehovah, Uriah " -Jer. 26:20

".. sons of Asaph, ... who prophesied after the order of the king." 1Chron 25:2

"Of  the sons of Jeduthun: Gedaliah, and Zeri, and Jeshaiah, Hashabiah, and Mattithiah, six, under the hands of their father Jeduthun with the harp, who prophesied in giving thanks and praising Jehovah." 1Chron 25:3

So we see that even though others "prophesied" as Enoch did, the "Book of Enoch" is not given as scripture but a prophesy by Enoch and is witnessed by scripture...

1.  1Timothy 1:4 neither to give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questionings, rather than a dispensation of God which is in faith; so do I now.

2.   2Timothy 4:4 and will turn away their ears from the truth, and turn aside unto fables.

3.  Titus 1:14 not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men who turn away from the truth.      (bad fruit turns God's people away from scripture)

4.  2Peter 1:16 For we did not follow *cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord 

Jesus Christ… ( *cunningly means to continue in PLAUSIBLE ERROR…)

Once the unvarnished truth is accepted,  the doctrine of hormone-driven sexy angels marrying or sexually molesting women and making babies who become giants is shown to be absurd and ridiculous.

Because doctrine is not to be established by one verse, one context, or assuming scripture means what it does not say.
A true doctrine is established "line upon line..." with mutually supporting scripture.

I submit to you, the reader, that no scripture states that angels are "sons of God", but scriptures do say that men are called "sons of God'.

I submit that in no other passage of scripture is there reference to, or a declaration of angelic spirits having sexual relations with human women and making babies.

I submit to you that God repeats history and we can demonstrate that in the scripture.
 But I cannot find any repetition of God repeating the alleged "sons of God-fallen angel" theory of them making babies with humans they married.
I submit that Jesus never said or alluded to that in the season of His return, as in the days of Noah, that there would be "a return of the Nephilim".

In closing, there are scriptures that cannot lie, but men can be deceived into lying about them. 

Read them with care and decide for yourself.

...   the Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that,
when the sons of God came unto the daughters of men,

...   neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection

...   For unto which of the angels said he at any time,  Thou art my son ?

*** Further scripture notes on “Sons of God”:

If "sons" of God means or included "angels", then there is not a single evidence of that in these passages which specifically and expressly mention "sons" of God:

Exodus 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son

Deut 32:19          And the Lord saw it, and abhorred them, Because of the provocation of his sons and his daughters

John 1:12     But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God even to them that believe on his name:

1Chron 17:13 (of Solomon) I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him

1 Chron 22:10 He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father

Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

Rev  21:7 He that overcomes shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

How does one become "a son of God"?
Did OT saints “overcome by faith?

Did they believe God?

Did they “see from afar” the promises of God in Christ?

Were they sons of God by the resurrection?

God tells us:

Isaiah 43:6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;

Isaiah 45:11 Thus says the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons,  and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.

2Cor. 6:18 And will be a Father to you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, said the Lord Almighty.

Hebrews 11 tells us who the “sons of God by FAITH in Christ Jesus” were:

4 By faith Abel 5 By faith Enoch 7 By faith Noah,8 By faith Abraham

13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them and greeted them  from afar

24  By faith Moses... 26  accounting the reproach of Christ greater riches

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all sons of God, through faith, in Christ Jesus.

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

Luke 20:36 for neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels;  and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

Not once are angels “sons” in any of those passages..

Genesis 3:15 and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed: he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Should we accept that both the woman and the serpent have "seed", and that the serpent was the devil,

both are prophesied to have "seed", in Hebrew meaning ones posterity.

Since both would have a "posterity", did the devil continue to have human children through sexual reproduction? -or would his children be those that received the same lie, and have the same nature as the serpent??
 -just as the pharisees who were called children of the devil.

-The woman's "seed" is recognized as Jesus who would come to bruise the "head" of satan.

Luke 6:35 But love your enemies, and do them good, and lend, never despairing; and your reward shall be great, and you shall be sons of the Most High

..............

I noticed that NONE of the angels mentioned in scripture such as Michael and Gabriel, are ever specifically called "sons of God", not in any passage in the entire Bible!!

Can you find non-human "sons of God here?

Deuteronomy 32:19 And The LORD saw it, … Because of the provocation of his sons and his daughters.

Judges 5:5  And the children of Israel dwelt among the Canaanites, the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites:
( the children of Israel WERE called “sons of God”)

6 and they (the sons of God,-Israel)  took their daughters (of pagan men) to be their wives, (as married to the Israeli sons of God)   and gave their own daughters (the children of Israel)  to their sons  (of men) and served their gods.

Let's think, do these include angels as sons of God?

Isaiah 43:6  I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back; bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the end of the earth

2 Corinthians 6:18  And I will be to you a Father, And you shall be to me sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.

Why is there no commandment in the word of God for man not to cohabitate with angels?

When God warned against intermarriage with parents and family members in the law, and severely warned of adulterous marriages, and warned against sex with animals, and warned against homosexual sex, and warned about marriage with unbelievers, and warned against unmarried sexual relations, He did not give warning against marriage or sex with fallen angels. 

There is*nothing* in the New Testament in regard to angels making babies with humans but there is repeated warnings regarding immorality and fornication among humans.
Since no angels are ever directly called “sons of God”, and since no scripture witnesses that angels can  or did marry human women and make babies, we categorically reject this teaching and pray the Lord will open the eyes of those who are driven to contend for it.

We simply cannot “go beyond that which is written” and try to make the scripture say what it does not say, even if the arguments seem plausible.

Copyright 2014 by Rory Moore 

The simple Rapture Timing Truth

The simple Rapture Timing Truth

Let’s begin with two of the most direct and specific textual pillars used by the “pre-trib” advocates.

Question: Is this the “rapture” here in 1Corinthians 15?

42)   So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; …….51)  Behold, I tell you a mystery: We all shall not sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52)   in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
        and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

and is THIS also the rapture in 1 Thess?

1Thess. 4:13 But we would not have you ignorant, brethren, concerning them that fall asleep; that ye sorrow not, even as the rest, who have no hope.

14)   For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also that are fallen asleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15)   For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we that are alive, that are left unto the coming of the Lord, shall in no wise precede  them that are fallen asleep.
16)   For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:
===> and the dead in Christ shall rise >>> first<<<

17 then we that are alive, and remain, shall together with them (the dead in Christ) be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

It is all about the "pre-trib"rapture they say, correct?

RESURRECTION:  Anastasis Strongs 386 def: a raising up, a rising from the dead , that of Christ that of all men at the end of this present age the resurrection of certain ones history who were restored to life

Perhaps you just noticed the mention of “them that are fallen asleep” (-them that have died in Christ),  precedes the phrase  “caught up in the clouds”.
The resurrection of the dead is the raising up of our physical bodies which “sleep” in physical death.
 ( the spirit of a saint is with the Lord, only our physical body sleeps. Jesus modeled this in His death when His physical body was in the tomb, His spirit was in Paradise releasing the saints. When Jesus rose from the dead, his body was transformed when his spirit re-entered it.)

The raising of the dead (our physical bodies) is mentioned throughout Old and New Testaments:

Job 19: For I know that my redeemer lives, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
Luke 20:37  But that the dead are raised, even Moses showed, in the place concerning the Bush

Luke 20:35          But they that are accounted worthy to attain to that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage
John 11:24          Martha said to him, I know that he (Lazarus)  shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

The “FIRST” RESURRECTION  immediately precedes the gathering to Christ.

-as stated in the supposed “pre-trib rapture” verses in 1Thess. 4 up above (read them again).

The “pre-trib” rapturists believe Christians will escape martyrdom, the “mark of the beast”, and the events of “great tribulation but let’s set these in order.

Now that we have shown that them that are asleep in Christ are raised immediately before those that are alive and remain to the coming of the Lord, and that the dead are raised in the resurrection on the “last day”…………….

Here is the simple truth:

Rev. 20:4   And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:
 === > and I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus
and for the word of God, and such as worshipped not the beast, neither his image, and received not the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand;
and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 …….. This is the first resurrection.
The rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years should be finished.
6)   Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection
over these the second death hath no power; but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The first resurrection  of  “them that are fallen asleep” that is near simultaneous with the "harpazo" of 1Thess. 4 and 1Cor. 15  is in Rev 20 and includes the martyred tribulation saints!

There is not a 2nd resurrection of beheaded saints after the tribulation because the dead in Christ rose first at the supposed “pre-trib” rapture! There is not a "FIRST resurrection" part 1 and 2.

The "first resurrection” includes those refusing the mark and the martyrs.
 If the “first resurrection” is before the tribulation, then the “first resurrection” that includes martyred saints who refused the mark cannot be first because the first rising of “them that are asleep” were raised before the “first resurrection”.

Therefore there can be no pre-trib rapture. In the "rapture" the "dead in Christ rise "first" just as the dead in Christ that refused the mark are raised together in the "first" resurrection...

This is the simple unmovable truth and the "first resurrection".
No lie is of the truth. The "pre-trib rapture" is not true and our prayer is the Lord will open your eyes to the truth and deliver you from the writers and sellors of the pre-trib rapture error...

The Narrow Way of Ministery According to Jesus

About 33 AD

And today, Circa 2014 A.D.

There is an amazing contrast from the weekly pulpit ministry of today and Jesus.
As Jesus achieved some fame they sought to kill him.  But the suited Sunday orators bear little resemblance to the meek and humble Jesus Christ of Scripture. 

The temptation of Jesus bears mention, who tempted Jesus with the highest position in the building?

Matthew 4:5 (NLT)

5 Then the devil took him to the holy city, Jerusalem, to the highest point of the Temple…

Do you think there were no people around to see the potential miracle and show?

Contrast with the popular, author-pastor who literally filled Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles in April 2010 with a huge crowd. 

 And we read how the devil took Jesus to the high place in God's temple building that his disciples described in : Mark 13:1 - And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples said to him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!" 

You see, Jesus could have jumped and put on a great show to impress the crowd below.
-But no,  it was not deliverance from the temptation of suicide that was being offered, it was the temptation to use worldly means to gain recognition..
Every time His disciples or followers tried to take him and promote Him in the eyes of man, Jesus hid Himself.

 John 6:15 - When Jesus then perceived that they would come and take him by force to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain alone.."

 Rather than seeking fame and a large "ministry", Jesus did not use self-promotion so commonly practiced in the church world. Yet even His own family urged Him to advertise and promote His ministry!!

John 7:3-5 (NLT)
³ and Jesus’ brothers said to him, “Leave here and go to Judea, where your followers can see your miracles!

 ⁴ You can’t become famous if you hide like this! If you can do such wonderful things, show yourself to the world!” 

 That's right,  His own carnal "brethren" were all for Jesus using worldly means to promote His "message".  

Why did they think in terms of using worldly promotion
The next verse says: "For neither did his brethren believe in him." 

-And neither do these self-promoters with their body guards, "faith partners", telethons, appeals for support, and laying up of their treasures here on earth contrary to what Jesus spoke. They are preaching "another Jesus" as Paul warned.

Notice how Jesus refused opportunity:
Matthew 8:4 - And Jesus said to him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, show yourself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
Mark 7:36 - And he charged them that they should tell no man
Mark 8:26 -  he sent him away to his house, saying, Do not go into the town, nor tell it to any in the town.
Mark 8:30 - And he charged them that they should tell no man of him.
Mark 9:9 - And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.
Luke 8:56 - And her parents were astonished: but he charged them that they should tell no man what was done.

Compare Jesus with many famous present day representatives of Christianity today:
John 7:18 - He that speaks of himself seeks his own glory: 
John 5:41   I do not receive honor from men.
John 5:43   if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

How we honor the great orators and pretty faces in our day!
But Jesus warned:

John 5:44 "How can ye believe, when you receive honor one of another, and seek not the honor that comes from God only?" 

In our church experience it became nauseating to hear the flowery, men-honoring introductions of visiting preachers. And usually those well paid speakers would in turn pay flattery tribute to the pastor. In our old denomination the pastor was exalted and I remember testimonies of the glory of pastor's life and ministry.

 Did you notice how Jesus pointed out the religious leaders would get honor from each other and this would hinder their ability to believe His Word?  

Notice the way of Jesus in John 5:13 (ASV): But the man who was healed did not know who healed him,  as JESUS HAD SLIPPED AWAY while there was a crowd in that place".

Surely Jesus missed a golden opportunity  for showmanship in the style of countless other "name brand" ministries of today.  What Jesus could have done was taken that fella by the hand and skipped him around the temple a few times so folks would know the healer was in the house.

If He wore a tailored, white, Italian made Jewish robe, had body guards, and Gucci sandals, could He quickly attract a vast following?

But He also missed a chance to give a 50 minute sermon to proclaim his "vision for the church" too, and especially the chance to receive some tithes and offerings from the great crowd in the place in order to finance His ministry. 

He was completely unlike the preachers who rarely pass an opportunity for a bit of "seed sowing" from the folks.  Elaborate church platforms and lighting bear witness to who is seeking the attention of the crowd.

-Acts 8:9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which before in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: 

10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God. 

11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries

13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip..when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money

19 Saying, Give me also this power.. 20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money".

Yet today the modern merchants of Babylon have an industry in Christianity selling "anointed" cloths, Holy Spirit Crusades, Books on "blessings", CD's and syllabus’s, impartation, conferences.... the list is endless.  22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness... -Peter told Simon when he wanted to buy a ministry.

In 3 John :9 another character is mentioned illustrating what happens to a man who is lifted up: 

"I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loves to have the preeminence among them, received us not.  

Simply put , Diotrephes was a  man in charge of a church that loved his position.
"Preeminence" is defined: Superior to or notable above all others; to stand out .  That one verse should give a serious heart-check for hidden motives.

      

Acts 20:30 gives another clue:  "Also of your own selves (ministers) shall men arise (be lifted up), speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples to follow after themselves". (making followers of their ministry (teachings-ideas, and words)  

Whose disciples are we/ Who do we seek to emulate?

            Rev. 2:14   "But I have a few things against you, because you have (in the church) them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to set a stumblingblock in front of the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit fornication.

The Lord brought  mention of both Balaam and the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes in forceful terms in this passage.  Let's see if we can apply this word to modern ministry.  Balaam, a messenger and servant of God sold out for personal gain and was impressed by the gifts and status of the men Balak sent to him. "And Balak sent yet again princes, more, and more honorable...".
Balaam was drawn away from obedience to God by his respect of persons that flattered him, and God tested his heart..     

The Christian "stars" and celebrities of this present world are the idols of God's people.  So often too is the local pastor people seek to follow and promote as the voice of God.

Those who build the visible, man-made kingdoms of "the earth" certainly appear to fill the warnings given to "beware of false prophets".   Put them in their "temples" and you have God's people following them preferring their words and ministries in place of personal study and prayer. 

And the people still continue to bring their gifts, sacrifices, and offerings to the modern idols of stone and wood called "churches".

Compare the manner and ministry of Jesus, Paul, and the believers in Acts, see an honest picture of what real Christian ministers look like. And there is not one flashy, self-promoting, self-serving, glorified one in the bunch. Period. 

Sadly, it is God's people who magnify and enable these men to become the spiritual giants they are. And God forgive us for the "glory-to-the-pastor" testimonies and blind loyalty cultivated in our churches.

 Drawing close to God's Word and Spirit will enable us to take the sword of the Spirit and cut off the head (leadership and influence) of these religious giants so Christ can reign in us.