After the body dies, what happens?
A number of words are used in regard to what comes to pass: forever, eternal, everlasting.
A number of words are used in regard to what comes to pass: forever, eternal, everlasting.
( you may want to see the article "Where Did Hell Go?" on this site where these terms are defined.)
What I have observed in regard to this everlasting subject is that scoffers are zealous in promoting their ideas that contradict the plain reading of God's Word. In doing so they become evangelists for a lie. 2. They will use human reasonings and emotional trigger words to attack what scripture says. ex.: "is God an eternal torturer??"
Isa_33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness has surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall live with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
Isa_33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness has surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall live with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
Mat_18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. (WHAT KIND OF FIRE?)
Mat_25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat_25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:
(HOW LONG IS THE PUNISHMENT?) but the righteous into life eternal.
2Th_1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction
(YES DEATH & DESTRUCTION BUT HOW LONG IS THIS DESTRUCTION?)
Jude1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate (heaven), but left their own habitation, he has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness to the judgment of the great day.
(( these wicked angels will be released upon earth during the great day/ tribulation ))
Rev. 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. (rev 9. rev 11. rev 17. rev 20 also speak of the bottomless pit)
Rev. 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. (rev 9. rev 11. rev 17. rev 20 also speak of the bottomless pit)
Rev. 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (HOW LONG?)
Rev_14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:
(HOW LONG IS THE TORMENT?) and they have no rest day nor night.
Jude 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
2Pe_2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
- "...and man became a living soul..."
- Nowhere do I read where a soul ceases to exist.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived *them* was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are also the beast and the false prophet;
WHO is "them" and "they"?
and *they* shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
answer: back in vs.5
The rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years should be finished.
Souls:
Genesis 2:7 And YHWH God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life
and man became a living soul.
Genesis 2:7 And YHWH God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life
and man became a living soul.
Mark 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
The souls of lost men receive resurrected bodies also in Rev. 20:5
Death of the body that houses the soul that God created does not become annihilated, but is judged "according to his works".
-If annihilation was true, there is no cause for judgment of each soul works because all lost receive the same same annihilation.
But Jesus taught some receive "greater judgment".......
How can some receive "greater judgment" if the lost are all simply "annihilated"?
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Reason annihilation is error:
Reason annihilation is error:
This passage shows some things that refute some previous things said about God creating life.
Revelation 17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
-there is no time in eternity, time itself is a creation. ("time shall be no more") All life goes into eternity... eternal life is timeless and eternal torment is timeless...
I would agree the judgment is
eternal, meaning forever fixed. "where the tree falls, there shall it
lie". But eternal judgment is not the cessation of consciousness and
existence because the "beast", "false prophet", devil, all
suffer eternal torment...
The pit, bowels of the earth, smoke, etc.. are never said to cease.
There's a beast, which WAS, and IS NOT, and yet this
"beast" shall ascend out of somewhere.. and go somewhere.
It is a
beast which "is not", yet "IS". -And this "beast"
has been some where, i.e. "the pit".
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Job 33:18 He keeps back his soul from the pit
Psalms 28:1 to thee will I cry, O LORD my rock; be not
silent to me: lest, if thou be silent to me,
===> I become like them that go down into the pit.<===
===> Ezekiel 26:20 When I shall bring thee down *with
them that descend into the pit*, with the people of old time, and shall set
thee in ===> the low parts of the earth, in places desolate of old, with
them that go down to the pit...
Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a
smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air
were darkened ===> by reason of the smoke of the pit.<==
Revelation 17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not;
and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they
that dwell on the earth shall wonder,
===> whose names were not written in the book of life
from the foundation of the world... <===
Revelation 14:11 ==>And the smoke of their torment <==
ascends up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who
worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receives the mark of his name.
==> by reason of the smoke of the pit.<==
===>*with them that descend into the pit*<===
===> he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke
out of the pit<==>==>And the smoke of their torment <== ascendeth
up for ever and ever<===>When I shall bring thee down *with them that
descend into the pit*, with the people of old time, and shall set thee in
===> the low parts of the earth,<===>lest, if thou be silent to me, I
become like them that go down into the pit.<===
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The beast does not cease, the pit does not cease, the smoke
of their torment does not cease, the devil goes there and does not cease to
exist in torment, and the devil does not even have an earthly physical body.
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Isaiah 14:15 Yet yhou shalt be brought down to hell, to the
sides of the pit.
Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell.....
Proverbs 9:18 But he knoweth not that the dead are there;
and that her guests are in the depths of hell.
Isaiah 5:14 Therefore hell has enlarged herself,
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are
not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both
soul and body in hell. -and he gave an example of this in Luke 16 of the rich man in tormented flame.
SUMMARY:
"The SUM of thy Word is truth"
For anihilationism to be true (it is also Jehovah Witness doctrine BTW), it would need to reconcile with scripture "line upon line, line upon line". But it runs smack into scripture that tells us death is the final judgment, and the place of death is in a lake of fire that burns forever and ever.
==> Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell..... NOT cessation of existence.
Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends up
===> for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night <===, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receives the mark of his name.
-NOT they cease to exist for ever
"they have no rest" NOT: they cease to exist and have no rest.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived *them* was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are also the beast and the false prophet;
WHO is "them" and "they"?
==> and *they* shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.<===
answer: back in vs.5
The rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years should be finished.
"The SUM of thy Word is truth"
For anihilationism to be true (it is also Jehovah Witness doctrine BTW), it would need to reconcile with scripture "line upon line, line upon line". But it runs smack into scripture that tells us death is the final judgment, and the place of death is in a lake of fire that burns forever and ever.
==> Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell..... NOT cessation of existence.
Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends up
===> for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night <===, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receives the mark of his name.
-NOT they cease to exist for ever
"they have no rest" NOT: they cease to exist and have no rest.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived *them* was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are also the beast and the false prophet;
WHO is "them" and "they"?
==> and *they* shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.<===
answer: back in vs.5
The rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years should be finished.
NOT: they cease to exist.
DOES THE DEVIL CEASE TO EXIST?
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
DOES the "everlasting fire" cease to exist?
The "cursed go to the "everlasting fire prepared for the devil and demons.
Does the devil and demons cease to exist?
They do not have mortal flesh bodies
either, but somehow the "everlasting fire" is where they go also.
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Rev_9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. (rev 9. rev 11. rev 17. rev 20 also speak of the bottomless pit)
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Rev_9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. (rev 9. rev 11. rev 17. rev 20 also speak of the bottomless pit)
Rev_20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and
brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented
day and night for ever and ever. (HOW LONG?)
Rev_14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: (HOW
LONG WAS THEIR TORMENT?) and they have no rest day nor night.
Jude 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars,
to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
2Pe_2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest;
to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
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The SUM of thy Word is truth. Cessation-annihilationism does not add up.
